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Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:24 am to BayouBengal23
The concept of laws being based on morality begins and ends with who decides when and what morals can be applied.
When people say that they want to keep morality out of legislation, it is merely a ploy to keep a person’s religious morality out of legislation, or the views of an opposing force’s morality.
The ones who make these statements usually have no issue basing legislation around their morality.
When people say that they want to keep morality out of legislation, it is merely a ploy to keep a person’s religious morality out of legislation, or the views of an opposing force’s morality.
The ones who make these statements usually have no issue basing legislation around their morality.
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 9:32 am
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:27 am to Odysseus32
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There is no morality. Never has been, never will be.
We actually have very distinct set of guidelines on what is right and wrong. Humanity and their "elected" politicians can try to determine in their minds what they believe is right and wrong, but ultimately, there is one absolute truth.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:27 am to BayouBengal23
For people claiming that there is a universal sense of right and wrong. What about all the people stealing hundreds of dollars worth of goods and are allowed to get away with it. It literally not illegal to steal anymore in some parts of the country.
Once again, is there even a universal sense of law anymore?
Once again, is there even a universal sense of law anymore?
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:28 am to Damone
quote:
Keep CHRIST in CHRISTmas!
Actually should happen, but ok
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:28 am to DestrehanTiger
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The line is pretty easy to draw. It's illegal when it causes damage to another person.
So person A pulls a knife and threatens person B. B draws a pistol and shoots A. According to your statement person B has committed a crime by damaging person A. The rest of us say it is self-defense and not a crime.
Maybe it isn't a easy as you claim.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:30 am to BayouBengal23
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. If this is the case, what do you base laws on?
We shouldn't base laws on pure subjective morality. Things like theft and murder, yes those I agree.
But we have WAY too many laws and regulations and 99% are based on pure morality, or someones personal values.
Strip the justice and regulatory system down to basics and rebuild, with 90% fewer bullshite morality laws and regulations
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:31 am to Toroballistic
quote:
Maybe it isn't a easy as you claim.
Or even beginning to start down the plight of a soldier.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:31 am to BayouBengal23
quote:You are referencing two separate things.
For people claiming that there is a universal sense of right and wrong. What about all the people stealing hundreds of dollars worth of goods and are allowed to get away with it. It literally not illegal to steal anymore in some parts of the country.
Once again, is there even a universal sense of law anymore?
People know that theft is inherently wrong, but the thieves and politicians don’t care.
Universal understanding of “right and wrong” and application of laws are separate issues.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:33 am to Toroballistic
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So person A pulls a knife and threatens person B. B draws a pistol and shoots A. According to your statement person B has committed a crime by damaging person
Wrong
A initiated the violence. Not B.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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But we have WAY too many laws and regulations and 99% are based on pure morality, or someones personal values.
You are arguing two different things.
Laws will only ever be the implementation of someone’s morality.
Even murder. Even rape.
There are countries in our world that allow men to mutilate a woman’s vagina In order to keep them from cheating. They don’t even have to cheat.
Whether or not we have too many laws is a separate issue.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:36 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
A initiated the violence.
So you are adding in qualifiers to your statement now?
You said it was easy to determine.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:37 am to BayouBengal23
Sound law is based on ownership of property.
In order of importance:
Property is your life, first off followed by your intellectual property followed by your tangible property.
Public property is/was just theft and plunder.
If you don’t own something, you don’t mess with it.
If you accidentally mess something up, you fix it with restitution.
If you commit a crime, you are ostracized and no one will deal with you until you have cleared up your mess and made restitution to the owner or heirs.
In order of importance:
Property is your life, first off followed by your intellectual property followed by your tangible property.
Public property is/was just theft and plunder.
If you don’t own something, you don’t mess with it.
If you accidentally mess something up, you fix it with restitution.
If you commit a crime, you are ostracized and no one will deal with you until you have cleared up your mess and made restitution to the owner or heirs.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:38 am to Gings5
quote:...well? What is it?
ultimately, there is one absolute truth.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:39 am to Gings5
quote:
We actually have very distinct set of guidelines on what is right and wrong. Humanity and their "elected" politicians can try to determine in their minds what they believe is right and wrong, but ultimately, there is one absolute truth.
You're certainly entitled to believe that.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:41 am to BayouBengal23
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Pedophilia is trying to be passed right now... Thats just how they feel right? You cant stop them from liking little kids right? Where do we draw the line.
I think The line is pretty clear. fricking kids, trying to frick kids, making and/or possessing pornography of kids is all across the line, because it’s not about the pedophile it’s about the victim. The Pedophile can be attracted to kids but acting on it crosses a line because as a society we decided you can be too you to consent to a sexual relationship.
Sec is legal, rape is not. Laws against pedophilia are essentially just rape laws specified to children because legally we don’t think they’re old enough to consent.
Gay marriage doesn’t have a victim (anymore than straight marriage. amiright)
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:43 am to BayouBengal23
if morality indeed dictated the law, the law would be such that if the nachos stick together it counts as only one nacho
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:44 am to extremetigerfanatic
For all the people that say there is not universal sense of right and wrong (what a Christian would call God) or that applying a sense of communal morality is wrong, you really need to go read about Ted Bundy, if you’ve never read about him.
It’s a fascinating look into to mind of someone who realized he enjoyed the thought of killing and then applied modern humanism to his world view and then killed without remorse because “my morals are equal to yours based on the philosophy you expound”.
It’s an interesting story of how someone rationalized this thought out to the utter end.
It’s a fascinating look into to mind of someone who realized he enjoyed the thought of killing and then applied modern humanism to his world view and then killed without remorse because “my morals are equal to yours based on the philosophy you expound”.
It’s an interesting story of how someone rationalized this thought out to the utter end.
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 9:45 am
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:45 am to Toroballistic
quote:Pulling a knife is a clear threat to life. Even animals recognize malicious intent or aggression and respond with deadly force if necessary. That's a base instinct, morality doesn't play much of a role.
So person A pulls a knife and threatens person B. B draws a pistol and shoots A. According to your statement person B has committed a crime by damaging person A. The rest of us say it is self-defense and not a crime.
Maybe it isn't a easy as you claim.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:48 am to BayouBengal23
I want to believe that people are realizing that government solutions aren’t the best mechanism for enforcing social mores.
There’s a lot of room between “you shouldn’t do this” and “you should pay fines or go to prison for doing this”.
There’s a lot of room between “you shouldn’t do this” and “you should pay fines or go to prison for doing this”.
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