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Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:26 am to Korkstand
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Do you think that maybe government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all?
I’m not sure it’s their place to tell someone who they can marry. But they’ll always want to know if anything for monetary and inheritance reasons.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:27 am to Bullfrog
quote:If the mob rules that you can own another human, the act, sadly, becomes socially moral.
No. Another person is not your property because they own themselves.
It is the nature and flaw of mob mentality.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:30 am to BayouBengal23
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What about harming an unborn baby? At what age is it acceptable and how do you justify the belief?
Once there is a beating heart, it is no longer an issue of morality. It is a living being. Hell, once the child is at 24 weeks, it has a higher than 50% chance of survival as a periviable birth (and there are stories of survival at 20/22 weeks)
Prior to the heartbeat, I still believe the child is a living being; but also acknowledge that there is enough I do not understand and can see where many may feel there are some legitimate arguments.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:30 am to Korkstand
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Can we own animals
The non human ones, yes.
That was easy.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:31 am to BayouBengal23
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America is going down a very scary, slippery slope. Where is the morality line?
It sounds like you'd rather slide the other direction to something like the Taliban is looking to create.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:33 am to Odysseus32
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The world and universe as a whole is incredibly indifferent about murder, rape, abortion, and anything else you find abhorrent.
You would be wrong.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:34 am to BayouBengal23
You can go as basic as go to Wikipedia to understand the basis of the American legal system.
And how you just going to pass around "pedophilia is trying to be passed right now" without thinking twice about how illegitimate of a claim that is? Like, "oh, let me just toss out that pedophilia is being legalized because someone at church mentioned it". I mean, ffs people, use some common sense when you reading bullshite propaganda or talking to people who are spreading the bullshite propaganda that they read.
And how you just going to pass around "pedophilia is trying to be passed right now" without thinking twice about how illegitimate of a claim that is? Like, "oh, let me just toss out that pedophilia is being legalized because someone at church mentioned it". I mean, ffs people, use some common sense when you reading bullshite propaganda or talking to people who are spreading the bullshite propaganda that they read.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The non human ones, yes.
That was easy.
I've often wondered if we would ever come to a point that animal "slavery" would become a legit topic and/or discussion
*I assume its already out there to some degree
which one would be first? animal slavery or robot slavery?
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:39 am to RogerTheShrubber
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calls for an end to factory farming, an end to the abuse animals suffer in " entertainment" and an end to vivisection and any other means where animals are seen as utilities or a commodity to be exploited.
hell I don't even mean this, I mean like basic pet ownership
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:40 am to BayouBengal23
All criminal law as are based upon morality. This has been true since the practice of codification began. Murder, Rape,Assault,Theft have always been “immoral” and codified as criminal acts accordingly.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:41 am to carhartt
quote:So as far as the government is concerned it should just be a contract between two individuals, right? Who the individuals are shouldn't matter.
I’m not sure it’s their place to tell someone who they can marry. But they’ll always want to know if anything for monetary and inheritance reasons.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:43 am to Korkstand
quote:Co-ownership of tangible property can certainly be contractually divided.
No co-ownership in your view?
Volitional beings own themselves.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:It was supposed to be an easy question. Unfortunately it still doesn't answer why a human can't be property.quote:The non human ones, yes.
Can we own animals
That was easy.
What if they submit to it?
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:43 am to hogminer
Well, no. But sure, you can think that.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:44 am to Scruffy
quote:What the mob or democracy defines as a crime is not a clean overlap to what is a true crime.
If the mob rules that you can own another human, the act, sadly, becomes socially moral.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:45 am to extremetigerfanatic
quote:They believe they are morally right, and even honoring the commands of God.
then they are right?
That just supports my point that morals and the laws that flow from them are determined by majority opinion.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:46 am to BayouBengal23
It’s just man trying to do away with the consequences. Nothing new. It’s the steady quest of man since Cane and Abel. Do away with God and do away with the consequences, neither of which actually go away.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:47 am to Korkstand
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So as far as the government is concerned it should just be a contract between two individuals, right? Who the individuals are shouldn't matter.
Correct, as long as it’s 2 non-related, consenting adults.
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