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Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:49 am to Bullfrog
quote:When does volition develop? In the womb? Does it end after a certain level of mental decline or deficiency? Can a person on their own volition submit to being co-owned?
Volitional beings own themselves.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:49 am to Salmon
quote:We are already on our way there.
I've often wondered if we would ever come to a point that animal "slavery" would become a legit topic and/or discussion
The big push to eat less meat and the push for animal condition improvement is the harbinger, ISO.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:51 am to carhartt
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Correct, as long as it’s 2 non-related, consenting adults.
Why do you insist on inserting your own morals into the law when it's clearly not necessary for legal purposes?
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 10:51 am
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:53 am to Korkstand
Gotta have some morals to it. Most people agree that marriage, at its basic, should be between 2 consenting adults that aren’t related. Poll 1000 people and at least 80% would agree with that.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:54 am to Odysseus32
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There is no morality. Never has been, never will be.
How do you support your statement that there is no morality?
I would argue that morality is a defining trait of humans as sentient conscious beings. Morality is an inherent quality of humanity. Remove morality and we are no longer have a human being.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:55 am to Tigers2010a
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Morality is an inherent quality of humanity. Remove morality and we are no longer have a human being.
there are plenty of animals that exhibit their own morality FWIW
Posted on 9/16/21 at 10:56 am to Bullfrog
quote:Employment is rental. Why can't one submit to being owned?
Then you are dealing with an employment contract. They always own themselves.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:00 am to carhartt
quote:
Gotta have some morals to it. Most people agree that marriage, at its basic, should be between 2 consenting adults that aren’t related. Poll 1000 people and at least 80% would agree with that.
Dear Lord. I hope it would be much closer to 100% than 80%. But society’s moral compass has been degrading quickly in the last 2 decades.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:01 am to Klark Kent
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Dear Lord. I hope it would be much closer to 100% than 80%. But society’s moral compass has been degrading quickly in the last 2 decades.
It should be higher. But there would be a group that would disagree with the statement because it doesn’t include anything about the 2 people being straight.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:02 am to Klark Kent
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But society’s moral compass has been degrading quickly in the last 2 decades.
when was peak morality?
please don't view that as an attack or anything, I'm genuinely curious
I enjoy these types of discussions
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:02 am to Korkstand
quote:Wrong rabbit hole you are running down.
When does volition develop? In the womb? Does it end after a certain level of mental decline or deficiency? Can a person on their own volition submit to being co-owned?
Think in terms of the whole human species not your crazy uncle.
You own you life and all non-procreative derivatives of said life.
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 11:04 am
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:03 am to carhartt
quote:Why? Because of "slippery slopes"? You are making the slope slippery by adding unneeded qualifiers. Just end it at consenting adults. You don't even need to say "two". If you add "that aren't related", that opens the door for someone else to say "they also can't be the same sex/different color/whatever other subjective morals someone wants to insert".
Gotta have some morals to it.
Just make it a contract like any other.
quote:Depends on the sample. In certain areas of Utah some would probably object to "2". Insert Alabama joke about relatives. Nationwide you might be close, but that still doesn't explain why we must insert morals into this contract.
Most people agree that marriage, at its basic, should be between 2 consenting adults that aren’t related. Poll 1000 people and at least 80% would agree with that.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:04 am to Korkstand
quote:Because the only owner of you is you.
Why can't one submit to being owned?
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:05 am to Salmon
quote:
when was peak morality?
good question. that’s honestly highly debatable and i’m not really one to enjoy religious discussions with anyone. It’s lazy, but i’d say that timeframe has long past.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:06 am to Bullfrog
quote:I'm just trying to understand why a person can't be owned. Don't get me wrong, I definitely agree. I'm just trying to talk out the reasoning without inserting morals.
Wrong rabbit hole you are running down.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:07 am to BayouBengal23
Relativism vs Absolutism
Depends on if you believe in a supreme lawgiver or do you believe that everyone can decide what is lawful in his own eyes
Depends on if you believe in a supreme lawgiver or do you believe that everyone can decide what is lawful in his own eyes
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:08 am to Bullfrog
quote:Yeah you keep saying that, but I'm asking why.
Because the only owner of you is you.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:09 am to Klark Kent
quote:
i’m not really one to enjoy religious discussions with anyone
doesn't necessarily have to be religious based, although religion would certainly have a lot to do with it
quote:
but i’d say that timeframe has long past.
kind of hard for me to view periods where humans had less rights based off their race and sex and our justification for murder was far lower as times of higher morals
Posted on 9/16/21 at 11:09 am to Korkstand
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If you add "that aren't related"
You saying it should be ok for 2 adult siblings to get married?
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