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Not basing laws on morality
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:05 am
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:05 am
Is such a common theme nowadays. So many people I am friends with and see post on facebook are saying that you cant make laws based on your morality. If this is the case, what do you base laws on?
For instance, topics like gay marriage, abortion, transgenders competing in sports, etc... All of these things have been based on what is right or wrong morally. Many times the argument is thats how they feel. You can not tell someone how they feel. Where do we draw the line?
Pedophilia is trying to be passed right now... Thats just how they feel right? You cant stop them from liking little kids right? Where do we draw the line.
America is going down a very scary, slippery slope. Where is the morality line?
For instance, topics like gay marriage, abortion, transgenders competing in sports, etc... All of these things have been based on what is right or wrong morally. Many times the argument is thats how they feel. You can not tell someone how they feel. Where do we draw the line?
Pedophilia is trying to be passed right now... Thats just how they feel right? You cant stop them from liking little kids right? Where do we draw the line.
America is going down a very scary, slippery slope. Where is the morality line?
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Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:07 am to BayouBengal23
Keep CHRIST in CHRISTmas!
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:07 am to BayouBengal23
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For instance, topics like gay marriage, abortion, transgenders competing in sports, etc... All of these things have been based on what is right or wrong morally.
No, they aren't.
There is no morality. Never has been, never will be.
There is how you personally feel about things and that's it. The world and universe as a whole is incredibly indifferent about murder, rape, abortion, and anything else you find abhorrent.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:08 am to BayouBengal23
Morality is subjective.
What the frick are you talking about?
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Pedophilia is trying to be passed right now
What the frick are you talking about?
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:09 am to BayouBengal23
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Where do we draw the line.
The line is pretty easy to draw. It's illegal when it causes damage to another person. A guy having fantasies about children is disgusting but not illegal. A guy raping a child hurts the child. Therefore, it's illegal.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:09 am to BayouBengal23
Agree. People in favor of covid restrictions rationalize them as taking the moral high ground -- i.e. saving lives.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:10 am to BayouBengal23
The problem is that morality for the most part is subjective, although certain aspects of morality are objective.
I think the consent principle is what should guide law.
I think the consent principle is what should guide law.
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 9:11 am
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:10 am to BayouBengal23
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If this is the case, what do you base laws on?
it should be personal liberty
but people like you force morality into it and frick everything up
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:12 am to Antonio Moss
Laws are ONLY based on morality.
The only variable is WHO’S morality?
The only variable is WHO’S morality?
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:13 am to extremetigerfanatic
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should be personal liberty
But the definition of that is based on people’s definition of their morality.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:15 am to Jebadeb
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What the frick are you talking about?
Look it up. California is trying to make pedophilia legal because people feel attracted to young kids.
A person can fantasize and it not be illegal. I get that. But what about trying to approach them or talk to them? Should that be legal?
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:16 am to BayouBengal23
I don't think it should be based on any specific religion's morality. Usually law and religious morality line up because the religion/god/etc were invented to steer folks in the right direction and not harm others. There's folks who think that without religion murder would be ok and those folks scare the hell out of me. If it does harm to other people or yourself it's morally wrong.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:16 am to Salmon
quote:
it should be personal liberty
but people like you force morality into it and frick everything up
But everyones personal beliefs are different?
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:17 am to BayouBengal23
Who decides what's right or wrong? Is anything really right or wrong? There's a whole lot of gray area in many things.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:17 am to DestrehanTiger
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The line is pretty easy to draw. It's illegal when it causes damage to another person. A guy having fantasies about children is disgusting but not illegal. A guy raping a child hurts the child. Therefore, it's illegal.
not all that hard to understand. such profoundly dumb take by OP.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:17 am to BayouBengal23
quote:That depends on what you mean by morality.
[People are] saying that you cant make laws based on your morality. If this is the case, what do you base laws on?
IMO it is appropriate to base laws on what I'd call natural right and wrong, or ethics, the ancient legal concept of malum in se, wrong in itself, inherently wrong. Is that what you mean by "morality"? Murder, robbery, etc. has been almost universally understood to be that as long as we've had recorded civilization.
Now if by "morality" you mean some specific religion's beliefs, like it's wrong to eat pork, then no, we should not base laws on that.
There may be some gray areas, but we should try our best as they come up.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:19 am to extremetigerfanatic
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The only variable is WHO’S morality?
Generally it's the prevailing morality of society. Until recently, Sunday alcohol sales were all but unheard of in most of Alabama because society at one time thought it was morally wrong. But society's morals softened on that, and now most areas have Sunday alcohol sales of some kind, though there are still a few counties that do not allow it. Mostly rural counties.
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:20 am to BayouBengal23
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But everyones personal beliefs are different?
of course
believing in personal liberty means that I believe that you should be able to do something even if I deem it immoral (i.e. gay marriage, prostitution, heavy drug usage, self mutilation, etc)
naturally, your personal liberty only extends as far as it affects my personal liberty/property
meaning that theft, murder, rape, etc are not your liberties
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:20 am to Salmon
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it should be personal liberty
I should be free from having you walking around without a mask endangering MY safety.
Therefore you should be forced to wear a mask, for my personal liberty.
(you should, of course, know I agree with you. I'm just using the argument of those who believe their personal liberties matter more than yours, and government should be used to enforce the idea that their personal liberties are more important than yours)
This post was edited on 9/16/21 at 9:23 am
Posted on 9/16/21 at 9:22 am to NOLATiger163
Who determines if your actions hurt me? Or that child? Me? You? A group of people in LA? Dc?
Who? There are people that say that guy molesting that boy isn’t molesting he’s opening his eyes?
Why is your opinions better than his?
What do ground them in?
Your morality perhaps?
Who? There are people that say that guy molesting that boy isn’t molesting he’s opening his eyes?
Why is your opinions better than his?
What do ground them in?
Your morality perhaps?
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