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re: Net Neutrality LIVE Vote • OFFICIAL RESULTS • Neutrality is Abolished
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:35 pm to bconne1
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:35 pm to bconne1
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Then I guess I’d go to another site instead acting like whiny bitch on this thread.
Yeah, just rolling over and taking it makes you so much less of a pussy.
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:35 pm to rocket31
fine with me as long as i dont lose my free porn
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:36 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Corps lining the republicans pockets to cast yet another vote against the American people. Awesome.
For some reason, it bothers me when people blame whatever party, they do not support, for everything.
A politician is a politician first, I don't care what letter is by their name.
As much as I love my country, it isn't being run in the best interest of the people. It is controlled by special interest.
Well, I will say this. Voters do keep elected officials in check. They do have to show they are working for their constituents, but there is monetary value behind each rep & senator's vote.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:36 pm to UpToPar
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They voted to deregulate a private industry to allow those private companies to run their respective company as they see fit. This is a perfect example of small government and free market
Here, let me fix that for you:
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They voted to deregulate a natural monopoly industry that is an increasingly vital national resource that is highly tax payer funded to allow those natural monopolies to more easily rent seek as they see fit. This is a perfect example of market failure and regulatory capture
There, good to go.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:36 pm to stout
quote:you've stated
I have stated my reasons for wanting the Gov out of the internet and they have nothing to do with supporting the party line.
"deregulation"
"free market"
"small government"
these are empty words that mean nothing in the scheme of what net neutrality or the repeal of it means
Please explain how "getting the government" out of internet classification will lead to more freedom or whatever that even means
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:36 pm to Pilot Tiger
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please explain to us how that works
When you have Google, that is worth billions and has it's hands in a lot of pockets, all but give up on Google Fiber because of red tape and Gov regulations in every city they go to, that should tell you all you need to know about why there is not more competition.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:36 pm to Pilot Tiger
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only the hackiest of right wing hacks would think repealing net neutrality is the "small government" or "free market" solution
Seriously. This is pretty much the one issue that (most) Trump supporters who back him every step of the way said they disagreed with him.
Anyone honestly yelling "free market!" and "small government!" over this issue is just a lost cause.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:36 pm to Breesus
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What? Lets not use a streaming service example.
Let's say reddit decides to pay Comcast to prioritize its data and simultaneously throttle any other rival blog sites and now when you try to use tigerdroppings.com it take 30 minutes to load a page, but you can go to reddit and every page loads in an instant.
The end user is paying Comcast for an internet speed that's now being throttled with no way to change that. Comcast doesn't offer a "speedy TD" option and I don't have any other high speed ISPs in my areas, so goodbye tigerdroppings.com. There's nothing I can do about it.
So Comcast now comes to tigerdroppings.com and says chicken can either pay them x amount to be treated fairly or basically just die off. Chicken can pay that amount, and now Comcast is double dipping for fees, and there's no guarantee reddit won't wait until chicken is almost out of money or operating just barely above water and then increase that price to shut him down completly
Use the same analogy but say ESPN wants to have all NCAA related news on its website so it simply lobbies the big ISPs the throttle all Ncaa blog and news sites.
Does that analogy work better for you?
The next Google develops a search algorithm that is an amazing new use of technology the likes of which have never been seen before. But he can't start a website because Google pays all ISPs to shite down his access. Google strong arms him out the game and then buys his technology for next to nothing or simply shuts it down stifling innovation and creativity.
Does that help?
Zero of this make sense financially for an ISP.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:37 pm to TigerFred
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So the internet wasn't innovative and wasn't on a fair playing field until 2015?
There was a 2014 court battle stemming from a 2010 action that changed the way the internet could be regulated based on a fine imposed by the FTC against AT&T. That's still undetermined at this point btw, but it made a change necessary at the time in order to enforce basic principles that existed pre-2015
This vote, at worst, should have been delayed until that case was completed
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:37 pm to OysterPoBoy
quote:kinda like the free market invented the internet?
A free market will spur innovation.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:37 pm to Brageous
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Is there a particular post or explanation of the pros and cons of this NN vote?
Under NN, an ISP, such as Comcast, has to treat all internet traffic the same. They cannot pick and choose which sites and programs run faster or slower. They can offer speed tiers, but all traffic must be treated the same on each tier.
Without NN, they have the ability to decide which companies and sites can operate at which speeds without any input or check from the end user aka the consumer.
So, Comcast could partner with Netflix and allow Netflix to run at ultra high speed unlimited on their network and then slowdown or even block Hulu and Amazon. The end users in the markets dominated by Comcast have no option but to use Netflix and the free market doesn't exist.
Let's say reddit decides to pay Comcast to prioritize its data and simultaneously throttle any other rival blog sites and now when you try to use tigerdroppings.com it take 30 minutes to load a page, but you can go to reddit and every page loads in an instant.
The end user is paying Comcast for an internet speed that's now being throttled with no way to change that. Comcast doesn't offer a "speedy TD" option and I don't have any other high speed ISPs in my areas, so goodbye tigerdroppings.com. There's nothing I can do about it.
So Comcast now comes to tigerdroppings.com and says chicken can either pay them x amount to be treated fairly or basically just die off. Chicken can pay that amount, and now Comcast is double dipping for fees, and there's no guarantee reddit won't wait until chicken is almost out of money or operating just barely above water and then increase that price to shut him down completly
Use the same analogy but say ESPN wants to have all NCAA related news on its website so it simply lobbies the big ISPs the throttle all Ncaa blog and news sites.
Does that analogy work better for you?
Here's how it impacts Silicon Valley and American control over the internet and tech industry: The next Google develops a search algorithm that is an amazing new use of technology the likes of which have never been seen before. But he can't start a website because Google pays all ISPs to shite down his access. Google strong arms him out the game and then buys his technology for next to nothing or simply shuts it down stifling innovation and creativity.
Most of the people celebrating the end of Net Neutrality say that the check on all of this happening is a massive amount of competition in the ISP market. The problem with that is there is almost no real competition in the ISP market in most of this country. And while that competition may one day exists and these regulations may one day not be necessary, today they absolutely are. Because if ISPs are given complete unchecked control over the content and companies that use the internet there's almost no scenario where that deviant stifle innovation and growth.
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:38 pm to stout
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When you have Google, that is worth billions and has it's hands in a lot of pockets, all but give up on Google Fiber because of red tape and Gov regulations in every city they go to, that should tell you all you need to know about why there is not more competition.
But small business ISPs will be able to compete?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:38 pm to LSU316
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Zero of this make sense financially for an ISP.
So when Comcast starts throttling Netflix again because they compete too well with Comcasts on demand services, this is an example of free market at work?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:39 pm to UpToPar
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It's a private company. NN is the same as forcing the baker to bake a cake for the gay couple.
I pay Eatel $65/month to provide me a 50Gb/s connection to the internet. How I use that access is my GD business
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:39 pm to stout
quote:what you are referring to as red tape is what is called "corporatism", the cozy relationship the ISPs and local governments have with each other
all but give up on Google Fiber because of red tape and Gov regulations in every city they go to, that should tell you all you need to know about why there is not more competition.
now explain how repealing net neutrality suddenly means "less regulations" and how there will be "more competition"
I'll give you a hint....it does nothing to address it
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:39 pm to Breesus
Kind of like Detroit keeping foreign made vehicles out of the US so we had to buy their crappy products for years.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:40 pm to 25 Point Lead
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But small business ISPs will be able to compete?
Not in the current environment which is why I say again and again that you are all missing, get the Gov out of all aspects of the internet and today was the first step of that hopefully.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:40 pm to WestCoastAg
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fine with me as long as i dont lose my free porn
If your ISP has an exclusive contract with a pay site, they certainly can restrict your access
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:40 pm to NYNolaguy1
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So when Comcast starts throttling Netflix again because they compete too well with Comcasts on demand services, this is an example of free market at work?
No, because you can switch to Google fiber.....
Oh wait, one of the most powerful corporations in the world found the barriers to entry too high. It'll have to be small business ISPs instead
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:40 pm to UpToPar
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NN is the same as forcing the baker to bake a cake for the gay couple.
....no. It's really fricking not.
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