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re: Net Neutrality LIVE Vote • OFFICIAL RESULTS • Neutrality is Abolished
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:40 pm to Pilot Tiger
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:40 pm to Pilot Tiger
Is there anything stopping a new startup ISP from breaking into the market under the promise to not throttle websites and offer a truly open internet? If NN will affect that many people, then I don't see why this isn't an opportunity for the market to correct itself.
NN was, in a way, facilitating a monopoly by forcing every ISP to offer the same product. Now that it has been repealed, can't a new ISP break through the market and offer a product that no other company is offering?
NN was, in a way, facilitating a monopoly by forcing every ISP to offer the same product. Now that it has been repealed, can't a new ISP break through the market and offer a product that no other company is offering?
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:41 pm to UpToPar
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NN was, in a way, facilitating a monopoly by forcing every ISP to offer the same product. Now that it has been repealed, can't a new ISP break through the market and offer a product that no other company is offering?
Exactly. Forcing a one size fits all solution like NN on the internet stifles innovation by blocking some companies from turning new ideas or business models into successful products.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:41 pm to AbitaFan08
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....no. It's really fricking not.
Explain how forcing a private company to provide a certain service is different then forcing a baker to bake a cake for a certain customer.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:41 pm to WestCoastAg
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fine with me as long as i dont lose my free porn
There is probably few other industries that could benefit more from the potential of using content discrimination at the ISP level to effectively make unusable competitors that are pirating or streaming content than the powerful and entrenched porn companies, or the cable companies that took a huge hit in PPV porn with the internet.
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:42 pm to bconne1
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Then I guess I’d go to another site instead acting like whiny bitch on this thread.
The only site option you'd have is reddit. With its dogshit interface and content voting systems. And no one would be able to improve or change the way of sites work because no one will be able to upset reddit until there is some kind go earth shattering game changing technological development that changes the fundemental way we access the internet
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:42 pm to Tigeralum2008
The NN repeal is a money grab by the major ISPs
They can now hold your email, streaming, smarthome, and online shopping preferences for ransom.
They can now hold your email, streaming, smarthome, and online shopping preferences for ransom.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:42 pm to stout
quote:you're trying to unbake a cake dude
Not in the current environment which is why I say again and again that you are all missing, get the Gov out of all aspects of the internet and today was the first step of that hopefully.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:42 pm to stout
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Not in the current environment which is why I say again and again that you are all missing, get the Gov out of all aspects of the internet and today was the first step of that hopefully.
This does absolutely nothing to accomplish your goal or the issue you're talking about.
But I agree with your bottom principle: attacking local and state regulations would actually be time well spent. But eliminating those regulations would actually require, gasp, federal regulation
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:43 pm to UpToPar
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Explain how forcing a private company to provide a certain service is different then forcing a baker to bake a cake for a certain customer.
Did the city where the bakery is located help fund the building of the bakery?
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:43 pm to UpToPar
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Is there anything stopping a new startup ISP from breaking into the market under the promise to not throttle websites and offer a truly open internet?
Yeah. The fact that the lines they want to use are owned by the big boys.
Not probably. They are.
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:43 pm to Breesus
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The only site option you'd have is reddit. With its dogshit interface and content voting systems. And no one would be able to improve or change the way of sites work because no one will be able to upset reddit until there is some kind go earth shattering game changing technological development that changes the fundemental way we access the internet
Hyperbole is fun
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:44 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Ok, how bout this
It's Amazon Prime Day and the gigantic black rotating dildo that you've had your eye on for a month is 75% off
You fire up your laptop, type in amazon.com only to be redirected to a page that says. "Amazon is not available on our network, please enjoy Walmart.com instead"
No dildo for you
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:45 pm to Tigeralum2008
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I pay Eatel $65/month to provide me a 50Gb/s connection to the internet. How I use that access is my GD business
This is like saying you pay cox cable $100 a month to let you watch TV. What channels you watch is your own business.
And for the record, I am not a fan of the repeal, but I'm not afraid to admit that I'm a hypocrite in that I support NN which is an example of big government and an opponent to the free market.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:45 pm to stout
At the end of the day Verizon will own an ISP / ATT will own an ISP / TMO will eventually own an ISP.
Add in whatever names you want for (ISP) but this is where we are heading with or without NN.
Add in whatever names you want for (ISP) but this is where we are heading with or without NN.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:45 pm to stout
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get the Gov out of all aspects of the internet and today was the first step of that hopefully.
on one aisle, you have the vast majority of constituents against the repeal and on the other your large ISPs in strongly supporting it. Do you honestly believe that this was about getting the government out of the internet and creating a market that favors the consumer?
#draintheswamp
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:45 pm to UpToPar
quote:
Is there anything stopping a new startup ISP from breaking into the market under the promise to not throttle websites and offer a truly open internet? If NN will affect that many people, then I don't see why this isn't an opportunity for the market to correct itself.
NN was, in a way, facilitating a monopoly by forcing every ISP to offer the same product. Now that it has been repealed, can't a new ISP break through the market and offer a product that no other company is offering?
The barrier to entry is prohibitively high right now. Maybe there’s an innovation waiting around somewhere out there (or maybe not!), but in the meantime the internet will languish under an ISP monopoly and the consumer suffers.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:45 pm to stout
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get the Gov out of all aspects of the internet and today was the first step of that hopefully.
The govt was the problem only in that they gave a select cartel access to something they created. The govt is not the problem- the lobbying groups, ISPs, their cartel and stakeholders are.
If you want to get super tin foil hat you could argue that with the consolofation of media networks owned by the same people that now control access to said media, theres not much keeping them from clamping down on what is said and hear.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:45 pm to stout
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When you have Google, that is worth billions and has it's hands in a lot of pockets, all but give up on Google Fiber because of red tape and Gov regulations in every city they go to, that should tell you all you need to know about why there is not more competition
Nothing you just posted has anything at all go do with net neutrality
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:46 pm to Displaced
I can forsee huge backlash over this. You break it, you buy it. And the internet is a hell of a thing to break. I'd venture the Republican party just shot themselves in the foot in order to pacify Comcast/Verizon.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:46 pm to BilJ
quote:Verizon and Comcast love freedom, why do you hate it????
Do you honestly believe that this was about getting the government out of the internet and creating a market that favors the consumer?
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