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re: Net Neutrality LIVE Vote • OFFICIAL RESULTS • Neutrality is Abolished
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:46 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:46 pm to UpToPar
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Is there anything stopping a new startup ISP from breaking into the market under the promise to not throttle websites and offer a truly open internet? If NN will affect that many people, then I don't see why this isn't an opportunity for the market to correct itself.
Yes, there are many barriers to entry for startup ISPs but it is mostly cost. It is extremely costly to physically run wire/fiber to every household.
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:46 pm to TH03
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Yeah. The fact that the lines they want to use are owned by the big boys.
Not probably. They are.
So run your own lines. I understand that the upfront costs would be high, but if there is a legitimate chance to capture a market share, someone will do it.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:47 pm to LSU316
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Zero of this make sense financially for an ISP.
They still get the same amount of money from all of their customers and they get added money from reddit?
How exactly does that not make sense. Killing the free internet makes the absolute most sense financially for them.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:47 pm to UpToPar
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So run your own lines. I understand that the upfront costs would be high, but if there is a legitimate chance to capture a market share, someone will do it.
Exactly.
However, you still have to come play ball to gain any other telco equipment you may need.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:47 pm to weedGOKU666
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Is there anything stopping a new startup ISP from breaking into the market under the promise to not throttle websites and offer a truly open internet?
They exist. I think the vote today will create more.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:47 pm to DavidTheGnome
quote:but hey.... Nobama, amirite???
I can forsee huge backlash over this. You break it, you buy it. And the internet is a hell of a thing to break. I'd venture the Republican party just shot themselves in the foot in order to pacify Comcast/Verizon.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:48 pm to UpToPar
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So run your own lines
How'd that work out for Google?
When Comcast is best buds with the local government, you can't run your own lines.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:48 pm to UpToPar
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? If NN will affect that many people, then I don't see why this isn't an opportunity for the market to correct itself.
So google (one of the worlds most powerful companies) tries to break into it, but finds it too difficult, and you think smaller businesses have a better shot...
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:48 pm to stout
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Agreed but you know what happened when Obama gave them billions of tax payer funds to upgrade their infrastructure? Many of them pocketed the money. Yet another reason the Gov needs to stay out of the internet and get rid of red tape to allow more competition.
My absolute favorite part of this entire thread is EVERY SINGLE ONE of Stouts posts were heavily downvoted, until this one said Obama.
He said the same thing in every post, but throw Obama in there and boom, bring on the upvotes.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:48 pm to UpToPar
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So run your own lines. I understand that the upfront costs would be high, but if there is a legitimate chance to capture a market share, someone will do it.
How many startup phone companies ran their own phone lines back when ATT was still the national monopoly?
The big boys will do everything in their power to maintain their grip on the market. That is exactly what they did here with NN
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:48 pm to UpToPar
quote:lol you can't do it
So run your own lines. I understand that the upfront costs would be high, but if there is a legitimate chance to capture a market share, someone will do it.
You've basically baked a cake, taken a bite and then realized you forgot to add some ingredients that would have tasted better and you think taking a dump on it is going to fix it
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:48 pm to UpToPar
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Explain how forcing a private company to provide a certain service is different then forcing a baker to bake a cake for a certain customer.
Close your eyes....
Imagine under this analogy, the baker would be selling vanilla cakes to everyone at whatever price they wanted for their vanilla cake. No problem there, right? Free market at work.
But when a customer says "hey, I think I want chocolate icing on my cake this time" the baker would say "oh well we're paid big money by the people who make vanilla icing, so it's going to be 3 months to get you a chocolate cake. but if you want a vanilla cake you can have it right now!"
So the customer (likely fat from eating so much cake) would say, "well then I'll go to the baker down the street!"
Now, MAYBE another baker has chocolate cake. But you signed a contract with the vanilla baker, so for a penalty fee you can finally go pay for a chocolate cake. But in a lot of cases, the vanilla conglomorate pays ALL the bakers, so having a chocolate cake is going to take 3 months no matter where you go.
...now imagine that the customer was straight.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:48 pm to rocket31
Good to see all the neck beards here freaking out about this because Reddit and Facebook told them to.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:49 pm to TigerFred
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So the internet wasn't innovative and wasn't on a fair playing field until 2015?
High speed internet and the content it provides is in its relative infancy. To try to compare it to some point in its past is almost impossible with the rate at which it changes. Try to look at the issues presented.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:49 pm to BilJ
BilJ, everything that has been posted the past few months say why NN is good. Have you ever read some of the cons of NN? Google it and you will see there are many beyond just what the telecoms are stating. Not linking because I literally am about to leave for a real estate closing but google it and do some reading instead of believing all the Chicken little scenarios.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:49 pm to TH03
quote:but repealing NN will allow you to do it...right?? right??
When Comcast is best buds with the local government, you can't run your own lines.
oh...
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:49 pm to The Boat
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Good to see all the neck beards here freaking out about this because Reddit and Facebook told them to
This is honestly the main reason I’m in favor of ending NN.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:50 pm to Displaced
there's really no difference in the parties these days, its all pretty much theater
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:50 pm to TH03
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When Comcast is best buds with the local government, you can't run your own lines.
So the problem isn't with NN. If what you are saying is true, then NN is a bandaid on a gun shot wound.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:50 pm to Breesus
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They still get the same amount of money from all of their customers and they get added money from reddit?
How exactly does that not make sense. Killing the free internet makes the absolute most sense financially for them.
because if those were the conditions prior to Reddit being founded, it likely would not have been launched at all.
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