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re: Net Neutrality LIVE Vote • OFFICIAL RESULTS • Neutrality is Abolished
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:23 pm to Flame Salamander
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:23 pm to Flame Salamander
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Are you talking about the Party line vote in the FCC to repeal NN or are you talking about posters in this thread supporting the repeal of NN because of which party they support
I mean they both result from the same line of thinking.
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Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:24 pm to Pilot Tiger
So you are 100% right but necessities and rights are quite different....many people across the world do not have their necessities and never will.
However like i posted on page 2 it suggest that basic human right were being infringed upon.
However like i posted on page 2 it suggest that basic human right were being infringed upon.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:24 pm to TigerFred
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Maybe I'm missing something on this deal.
The way I understand it, with Net Neutrality everyone paid the same price no matter of the data used. Without Net Neutrality the ISP's can charge by the amount of data used.
So if I understand it correctly, person A uses 500 Gb a month and person B uses 1Gb month. Without Net Neutrality Person A can be charged more than person B for their monthly usage
This has nothing to do with data caps.
This has to do with selective discrimination of content.
Say you want to watch Netflix, under net neutrality the gigabyte of data you use watching Netflix has to treated the same as the gigabyte of data you use for YouTube or just surfing Tiger Droppings.
What the abscence of NN allows is like what was increasingly happening before, where a cable company would slow down specific websites data to a crawl and then go to that website and demand they pay a fee to be treated equally again. Or block certain apps to force consumers into their products. Like happenened before. Basically legal extortion. What was on the horizon is like what has already happened in some countries without consumer protections, where ISP’s use their gatekeeper monopolies to rent seek consumers. Walling off content behind pay walls like happens with your cable package, or where they block content of the competitors of the business that paid their ransom.
What made the internet so innovative and one of America’s most powerful industries was that fair playing field. If you are the next Google or online gaming store or Amazon or anything, your consumer base wouldn’t have to weed through fast and slow lanes and gatekeeper induced barriers to access your content. That would of created an unfair playing field. Imagine if Google had never been able to get off because Yahoo or Ask Jeeves has just paid off most regional monopolies to give them a fast lane or worse, throttle Google to be unusable?
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:24 pm to Breesus
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They can certainly upgrade their infrastructure to improve larger bandwidth usage.
Agreed but you know what happened when Obama gave them billions of tax payer funds to upgrade their infrastructure? Many of them pocketed the money. Yet another reason the Gov needs to stay out of the internet and get rid of red tape to allow more competition.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:25 pm to bconne1
It would be different if these ISP's had invented the Internet. But the fact is the US government invented the Internet and they have the right to make sure everyone has equal access to it
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:25 pm to TigerFred
quote:huh?
It sounds like this affects the cord cutters more than anyone.
No, it affects anyone who uses the internet
Taking away the hulu/Netflix examples.
I'll try to put it in to terms that the poli board could understand.
ISPs could restrict access to foxnews.com if they wanted to
yay freedom
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:26 pm to TigerFred
For now, probably
Big reason why you're seeing ISPs become content providers
Big reason why you're seeing ISPs become content providers
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:26 pm to bonhoeffer45
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What made the internet so innovative and one of America’s most powerful industries was that fair playing field. If you are the next Google or online gaming store or Amazon or anything, your consumer base wouldn’t have to weed through fast and slow lanes and gatekeeper induced barriers to access your content. That would of created an unfair playing field. Imagine if Google had never been able to get off because Yahoo or Ask Jeeves has just paid off most regional monopolies to give them a fast lane or worse, throttle Google to be unusable?
Thank you.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:27 pm to rocket31
This is a got damn travesty.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:27 pm to Pilot Tiger
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ISPs could restrict access to foxnews.com if they wanted to
But Breitbart wouldn't be impacted, right??? That's the most reliable source of all for most of the Poli board!
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:27 pm to Pilot Tiger
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ISPs could restrict access to foxnews.com if they wanted to
But doing something like that or whatever equivocal would not be what's best for business. You are killing your ad income.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:27 pm to TH03
This would not be that big of a deal but the lack of ISP competition for customers means the Verizons, ATTs, and comcasts of the world now yield immense power over the market
Most cities will have 2-3 ISP's in their market but what most do not know is that they are almost all reselling a physical connection owned by the major ISP.
Most cities will have 2-3 ISP's in their market but what most do not know is that they are almost all reselling a physical connection owned by the major ISP.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:27 pm to BilJ
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small government eh?
They voted to deregulate a private industry to allow those private companies to run their respective company as they see fit. This is a perfect example of small government and free market.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:27 pm to 50_Tiger
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But doing something like that or whatever equivocal would not be what's best for business. You are killing your ad income.
ISP's do not have ad income, their revenue is generated via subscriber fees
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:28 pm to CarRamrod
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Because picking a fight with Washington has proven to be a bad idea under this administration.
Lol. You think Trump is smart enough to even understand it? shite no.
He will sign whatever is put in front of him and claim victory, same as always.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:28 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Most cities will have 2-3 ISP's in their market but what most do not know is that they are almost all reselling a physical connection owned by the major ISP.
100% true. For now.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:28 pm to rocket31
I feel like Google was secretly supporting this to pave the way for Google Fiber to save us from the shitty cable companies in a few years
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:29 pm to UpToPar
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This is a perfect example of small government and free market.
Shhhh...
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:29 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Lol. You think Trump is smart enough to even understand it? shite no.
He will sign whatever is put in front of him and claim victory, same as always.
Trump is trying to wipe the very memory of Obama out of the history books by rolling back everything BO signed. In 99% of the cases, I'd agree with him but in this one instance, Trump is dead wrong.
This post was edited on 12/14/17 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 12/14/17 at 1:29 pm to bonhoeffer45
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What made the internet so innovative and one of America’s most powerful industries was that fair playing field.
So the internet wasn't innovative and wasn't on a fair playing field until 2015?
Hmme that seems about the same time that cord cutting starting being really popular.
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