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Posted on 9/29/20 at 7:05 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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I’m not defending California forest management because it’s been a disaster, but there are thoughts that these fires have been started by arsonists.
It’s both.
Land management policy set by CA environmentalists built the fire, arsonists lit the match.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 7:26 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Went out there about a year ago when they had fire issues then. Felt so bad for those residents.
I've got a buddy that lives in Santa Rosa. The big fire a couple years ago (really there's a big fire every year now), he rigged up sprinklers all over the top of his, and his dads house. Luckily, the fire didn't get into their neighborhood. It stopped a couple of neighborhoods before it got to his.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 8:12 am to tbrud
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Burly Wine
Hate to hear that, Burly is good stuff.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 8:20 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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That sucks but decades of bad voting and really ignorant environmental policies are coming home to roost for the west and in particular California.
Keep voting for politicians who value a tree the same as a human and this is the result you get.
Californians getting the land management they voted for and asked for.
That and how their permissive society encouraged government as their lord and savior alongside participation trophies>helicopter parenting>mostly peaceful protests>rioting>arson.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 9:35 am to MrLSU
Horrible. I just ordered a case from a small family winery we visited a couple of years ago. The girl I talked to sounded pretty down. And this was before this latest wildfire. It’s devastating to one of the most beautiful spots on the planet.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 9:39 am to MrLSU
I'm glad I'm a bourbon drinker. I feel for the wine aficionados.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:01 am to MrLSU
I've got some Venge, Blueline, Foley, Chateau Boswell, Newton and Hourglass wines. Some I would have probably opened soon but will wait to see if these vineyards ever even attempt to come back now.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:07 am to MrLSU
Just awful!
Posted on 9/29/20 at 10:22 am to When in Rome
Really surprised these vineyards wouldn’t maintain fire breaks around their property.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:02 am to EA6B
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Lack of management is getting most of the blame, but the reality is that without sufficient rainfall the amount of dead wood and vegetation that accumulates is way beyond what can be removed through forest management.
California has also allowed invasive grasses to take over large swaths of land. When it matures and dies, it is dead standing. It is nothing but perfect brown fuel for a fire. Most native vegetation doesn't die that way. It wilts, falls to the ground, and decays. Also, after a fire comes through, the grasses germinate earlier and grow faster than native plants, which chokes them out and leads to even more widespread invasive grasses for the next fire.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:10 am to MrLSU
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Black Rock Inn B&B destroyed
Damn, stayed there on a trip about 7 years ago. Really liked that place and the owner at the time (it has changed ownership since).
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Failla Wine Co.
Good wine. I doubt we have any bottles left but price definitely going up if we do.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:19 am to Scoop
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Any word on the MD 20/20 vineyard?
Harlem isn't on fire. Well, not literally at least.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 11:38 am to MrLSU
Any news on Cain Winery?
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:07 pm to Rebel
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your Governor seems to think bad forest management is to blame.
i mean, it's not as if the state does zero prescribed burns. but i guess it isn't enough.
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The researchers found three types of barriers [to prescribed burns]: risks, resources, and regulations. In terms of risk, the fear of liability seems to be preventing many private landowners from considering burns. In 2018, the state created a training certification and a protection from liability for those who complete it and follow safety procedures. The researchers say that more programs like this could help.
The resource-related barriers can largely explain the gap between plans and actual area burned. Responding to uncontrolled wildfires obviously takes precedence over prescribed burns, both in terms of staffing and funding. CAL FIRE, for example, hires seasonal staff focused on the fire season—which isn’t the best time of year to be attempting prescribed burns. And the US Forest Service has had to use much of its fire budget on active wildfires, diverting funding from prevention. Add in a demographic wave of retirements among fire managers, and staff availability has been limiting.
As is true elsewhere, mechanical thinning efforts in California have suffered from the tension between financial incentives for those doing the work and optimal thinning techniques. Private logging operations would like to target the largest trees, ignoring the small stuff that won’t yield lumber. But thinning operations focus on the small stuff, greatly reducing the profit potential.
Finally, there are the regulation-related barriers. Air board approval is one bottleneck. The experts interviewed felt that the working definition of “acceptable weather conditions” has been strict, which can cut short multi-day burn plans. There are also many local air boards around the state, and a lack of consistency can create problems for burn projects that have to involve more than one of them.
Why isn’t California using more prescribed burns to reduce fire risk?
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:09 pm to Cosmo
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No big deal!
They have insurance!
93% of Napa is perfectly fine so this isn't a big deal
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:12 pm to MrLSU
Well, was it a boy or a girl?
Posted on 9/29/20 at 1:39 pm to tigerpimpbot
What’s the small family winery? I may have some of their wine. I also have several bottles from Castillo de Amorosa. I was going to open one this weekend but not any more. I also ordered more last night.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:16 pm to Scruffy
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California REALLY needs to reassess their electrical infrastructure (since that is what they have blamed many of the fires on) and they they REALLY need to revamp their forestry management processes (since that is making things significantly worse).
It's not the electrical infrastructure. Sure, that might be starting most of the fires, but their forestry practices are the real culprit. Eventually something is going to cause a spark. Fix the electrical infrastructure and it will be hikers or lightning.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:22 pm to baldona
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I know those fires get incredibly hot, but if you just put grass and parking lots for 100 yards around the buildings would it not mostly spare them?
No. Burning foliage travels with the wind, and the dried vegetation is like gasoline. Believe it or not, even a field kept 6" high will burn like fuel oil.
In Utah one summer I started a fire in field cut about 8" high. It started to spread, and when I tried to put it out there was just no way. I had to get my wife to call the fire department. They thought I was a retard. I explained that where I'm from a field won't burn. They still think I'm a retard. I'm beginning to think they're right.
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