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Posted on 3/12/19 at 12:58 pm to foj1981
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10-12” of snow equals 1” of rain
Not necessarily. That's for snow to fall and depends on temps and moisture through the column. Can be as little as 4:1 or up to 30:1 depending on that.
It's certainly less than 10:1 currently on the ground. Compression gets it packed up pretty tight. While certainly not the driver significant rainfall over the Ohio and Tennessee valley area, a rapid snowmelt would be like getting 4" of rain over everything that drains to the upper Mississippi.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:11 pm to FutureMikeVIII
That graphic confuses me. How does the Arkansas river flow 400,000 cfs, meet up with the White river flowing 220,000 cfs but downstream of the confluence only flows 540,000 cfs?
Where's that extra 80,000 cfs?
Where's that extra 80,000 cfs?
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:13 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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Where's that extra 80,000 cfs?
Evaporation.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:15 pm to OysterPoBoy
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Evaporation.
80,000 cubic feet of water a SECOND?
ETA: I guess over the length of a river, that's not insane. I was thinking of that 80,000 cubic feet as a literal cube of water and the energy density required to make that a gas and the massive expansion going from liquid to gas wasn't making sense. Spread over 100 miles of river, it isn't outlandish.
This post was edited on 3/12/19 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:25 pm to TigerstuckinMS
It's not evaporation. Just hydraulic routing of a peak flow. You can't think of it like steady flow in pipes or whatever.
Rivers don't perfectly convey flows downstream. So without other flows into a reach, the peak flow out of a particular reach will be lagged and attenuated compared to the peak flow into a reach. Volume is conserved, but not flow.

Rivers don't perfectly convey flows downstream. So without other flows into a reach, the peak flow out of a particular reach will be lagged and attenuated compared to the peak flow into a reach. Volume is conserved, but not flow.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:26 pm to NYNolaguy1
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The bigger concern is Old River breaking either at the structure itself or along the levee before or after and carving a new path to the Atchafalaya.
At least you won't have to worry about wetland loss anymore.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:30 pm to msu202020
Actually, there would be more wetland loss south of NOLA due to the lack of silt flowing downriver through the new diversion projects or the delta.
Posted on 3/12/19 at 2:31 pm to msu202020
There would be continued land loss in SELA. Not sure what you mean.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:48 am to jimbeam
Any update on the latest forecast?
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:18 am to SM6
Don't put a ton of stock into the forecasts until we see the results of the storm on the plains. Precip forecasts can undersell with the amount of moisture and wind energy being provided by this system.
Flooding on the Missouri River and the upper Mississippi is a huge concern post storm and it all will flow down here. The Ohio River side of this storm doesn't look exceptional rainfall wise at least.
Textbook midlat cyclone. Pueblo CO hit 975 mb this morning, a record low for the location.
Flooding on the Missouri River and the upper Mississippi is a huge concern post storm and it all will flow down here. The Ohio River side of this storm doesn't look exceptional rainfall wise at least.
Textbook midlat cyclone. Pueblo CO hit 975 mb this morning, a record low for the location.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:22 am to Duke
Rainfall totals don’t look too bad for this storm. Looks like several dry days in a row after this storm pushes through.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:26 am to Riolobo
Any rain is going to be problematic over the snowpack. Makes for a rapid melt. It does look good over the Ohio Valley as the storm will weaken as it moves that direction. Precip can be tricky with this powerful of a low, but at least the focus is toward the west.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 1:45 pm to Duke
Winter Storm Ulmer dropping 20 inches of snow in Western Nebraska.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 5:22 pm to TigerstuckinMS
The figures listed on that graphic are the maximum flows the levees are designed to safely handle. The math doesn't always add up because the river gets wider and/or deeper in some areas, so the flow rate decreases.
For instance, the Bonnet Carre opens when the flow reaches 1.25 million cuft/sec because the project design is to keep the flow below 1.25 million cuft/sec around New Orleans. If the flow exceeds that, it doesn't mean the levees would fail, just that the flow is higher than what the USACE is comfortable with. I don't know how much wiggle room they factor into their design, but surely it's at least 10 or 15%.
For instance, the Bonnet Carre opens when the flow reaches 1.25 million cuft/sec because the project design is to keep the flow below 1.25 million cuft/sec around New Orleans. If the flow exceeds that, it doesn't mean the levees would fail, just that the flow is higher than what the USACE is comfortable with. I don't know how much wiggle room they factor into their design, but surely it's at least 10 or 15%.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 6:13 pm to White Roach
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The math doesn't always add up because the river gets wider and/or deeper in some areas, so the flow rate decreases.
Making the river wider or deeper doesnt affect flow. It does affect velocity however. Flow=Q=Cross sectional area x velocity=A*V. As the velocity goes up the area goes down and vice versa.
What I think you're trying to say is that as the river gets higher it fills up areas of the river that normally dont get water. This acts like a detention pond holding water until the river goes down which does in fact lower the flow.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 6:31 pm to NYNolaguy1
Maybe I'm misusing flow for velocity, but I believe the Corps calls it flow. Perhaps flow rate.
If X volume of water moves thru river cross section A in 1 second, does the same volume move through a downstream river cross section that is 10% larger than A in 1 second? It seems like the flow (flow rate? Velocity?) would decrease to me. I always thought the increasing channel depth and river width slowed the river as it got closer to the mouth.
If X volume of water moves thru river cross section A in 1 second, does the same volume move through a downstream river cross section that is 10% larger than A in 1 second? It seems like the flow (flow rate? Velocity?) would decrease to me. I always thought the increasing channel depth and river width slowed the river as it got closer to the mouth.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 6:35 pm to White Roach
Volume (CF/s) doesn’t always directly correlate with velocity.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 3/13/19 at 6:42 pm to JusTrollin
I guess I've just tried a common sense approach that just makes me look even dumber than usual. I'm not an engineer and only had one physics class about 40 years ago.
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