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re: Morganza Spillway may or may not open for a 3rd time -- lack of clear info from ACoE

Posted on 3/13/19 at 6:54 pm to
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 6:54 pm to
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Maybe I'm misusing flow for velocity, but I believe the Corps calls it flow. Perhaps flow rate.

If X volume of water moves thru river cross section A in 1 second, does the same volume move through a downstream river cross section that is 10% larger than A in 1 second? It seems like the flow (flow rate? Velocity?) would decrease to me. I always thought the increasing channel depth and river width slowed the river as it got closer to the mouth.



So volume and mass always have to be conserved (because water is not compressed)- what goes in must come out, unless otherwise detained like I mentioned previously.

With that in mind Q=V*A
Where Q=flow, V=velocity, and A=Cross sectional area

So for example, say a hypothetical river has a cross sectional area of 30 feet wide by 10 feet deep rectangle, and has a uniform velocity of 10 ft/second.

That flow is going to be equal to Q=V*A=(10 ft/s)*(10 ft x 30 feet)=3000 ft3/second.

Now say that river comes to a point where it gets really narrow-say 5 feet wide. Assuming it keeps the same energy head, it's going to have the same flow with a much higher velocity.

3000 ft3/s=V2*(5 ft wide x 10 ft high)
=>V2=(3000 ft3/s)/(50 ft2)=60 ft/s

This is obviously simplified and has many assumptions but you get the basic idea.

Eta:
quote:

. I always thought the increasing channel depth and river width slowed the river as it got closer to the mouth.


Thats true, but the total volume of water moving down stream is basically constant past Bonne Carre to bird foot delta.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 7:04 pm
Posted by FutureMikeVIII
Houston
Member since Sep 2011
1777 posts
Posted on 3/13/19 at 7:10 pm to
For open channels, flow at a particular cross section is primarily a function of energy slope, channel shape, flow depth, and bed roughness. It can be approximated using Manning's Equation.

This post was edited on 3/14/19 at 2:16 pm
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 3/13/19 at 7:18 pm to
quote:

For open channels, flow at a particular cross is primarily a function of energy slope, channel shape, flow depth, and bed roughness. It can be approximated using Manning's Equation.


Yup.
Things get really interesting when you get from one side of the energy curve to another via hydraulic jump with identical flows and two different elevation and velocity heads.




This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 7:23 pm
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 3/13/19 at 8:08 pm to
quote:

Mannings
Awwwww shite now the threads getting fun
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
30763 posts
Posted on 3/13/19 at 8:10 pm to
We need a sticky for a Mississippi river flooding 2019.

it's going to be a bad year for flooding up and down the river. It was starting to swell as it was, and now with more snow north, and all this rain were getting, it is going to be really ugly for those in the flood zones this Spring-Summer..

Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
32259 posts
Posted on 3/13/19 at 8:13 pm to
I’m about to get Fluids PTSD
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
391 miles away from Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2012
6133 posts
Posted on 3/13/19 at 8:48 pm to
Got me tingling all over
This post was edited on 3/14/19 at 10:30 am
Posted by Riolobo
On the lake
Member since Mar 2017
5225 posts
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:08 pm to
Big rains from Memphis to north of St Louis now. Not looking good.
Posted by FutureMikeVIII
Houston
Member since Sep 2011
1777 posts
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:18 pm to
quote:

Got my tingling all over


Don’t need no peptides to get fully developed flow in this thread
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36494 posts
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:19 pm to
fricking engineers
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:39 pm to
Doesn't look like anything too bad though. Seems to be moving fast and not dumping much. Saw they had flooding rains in some parts of Nebraska and snow in the others
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:43 pm to
That wetted perimeter though
Posted by Ruxins Rascals
Middle of Da Bayou
Member since Nov 2018
537 posts
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:46 pm to
Hahaha water nerds
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177370 posts
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:48 pm to
We need to bring the flood board from 2011 back.
Posted by JusTrollin
Member since Oct 2016
269 posts
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:55 pm to
My flood insurance kicks in at midnight :)
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 10:56 pm
Posted by BayouBengals18
Fort Worth
Member since Jan 2009
9843 posts
Posted on 3/14/19 at 12:06 am to
quote:

water nerds


Speaking of..... Who will be in Houston the first week of April?
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
30763 posts
Posted on 3/14/19 at 5:18 am to
Flood alerts for St.Louis City and County already in full force.

.5 inches from flood stage, and the shite from the North hasn't started coming down yet.
Posted by Riolobo
On the lake
Member since Mar 2017
5225 posts
Posted on 3/14/19 at 6:53 am to
Bad storms now north of Memphis. Hopefully after this morning this shite will stop for a while.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 3/14/19 at 7:40 am to
Curious to see if anything changes in forecast with current conditions factored in
Posted by Riolobo
On the lake
Member since Mar 2017
5225 posts
Posted on 3/14/19 at 8:07 am to
Agree. If they do bump it up hopefully it will not be much.
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