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re: Minneapolis police kneels on man neck until he dies- Cops fired

Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:54 am to
Posted by RazorBroncs
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Posted on 5/27/20 at 7:54 am to
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I watched the full 10+ minute video and everything in it leads me to believe that he actually did want to kill him. It's extremely hard to see it any other way. Every once in a while, a person is just crazy or evil. 


I agree that it appears the officer wanted to inflict harm on the perp from the video alone, especially from an outside, non-law enforcement perspective. It looks really bad and is seemingly for no reason after the guy is subdued.

But I can assure you if the officer wanted to go out and kill a guy that day - or just lost his cool while the perp was resisting and wanted to kill him - there are much better, more conspicuous ways he could've done it. Kneeling on the guy's neck in the middle of the street with a crowd shooting video, other officers, and even EMS around seems like the opposite of what you'd want to do as an officer wanting to kill a guy and walk away scott free.

That's not to say he's not a shitty officer that was most likely on a power trip. He definitely was, and definitely ignored a lot of signs the guy was suffering and what he was doing was overboard. That alone is fricked up and shows the cop has no business being an officer in charge of upholding the law and protecting citizens.

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And I would love to hear the explanation of why the suspect/victim wasn't cuffed and sitting in the cop car after about a minute or so.


I've been curious about this myself since the beginning. As a Marshal, if we subdue a perp that's out of his mind on drugs or needs medical attention in ANY way (like this perp did) we STILL don't leave him/her face down on the ground until EMS arrives - let alone applying pressure to the perp while waiting.

If the perp isn't combative anymore we'll sit him/her up and keep a close guard while we wait for EMS; if they're still a flight risk we'll put them in the back of a vehicle. We will not continue to leave any amount of pressure on them when they clearly need medical.

All in all, I think this officer was either poorly trained, not able to control his anger and emotions, or both. If he was setting out to kill someone that day or any time soon, as an officer, there are many other ways and opportunities to do so that are less conspicuous.

This isn't a race issue though, it's a shitty officer issue. These people on police forces all over the country need to be weeded out and removed. I don't exactly know how you go about that, but better salaries and more intense training would be a good start. Higher salaries to attract a more quality candidate, and intense training to then weed out the ones not cut out for law enforcement work.

Just my two cents as a Marshal. I've seen plenty of little-man-syndrome-having local officers around the country, ones that clearly aren't cut out for it a mile away. The people that hire these officers and continue to employ them need to start answering for allowing these types to have multiple deadly weapons while patrolling the streets.

If I can tell an officer is shitty and not cut out for the job a minute after meeting him/her, their superiors should be able to tell too.

ETA - it should be noted that these type of shitty officers are BY FAR a minority. The vast, VAST majority of officers at all ranks I've met across the country are good, caring people just doing a job.

Every Marshal and federal agent I've ever worked beside have been straight-laced, quality people that take pride in what they do and generally care deeply about the populace. You don't make it to federal without being a standup person that takes his/her job very professionally and caringly.

It's local forces that desperately need an overhaul in their screening and training processes. But even then, a vast majority of the officers I've had contact with are caring, average folks that want nothing but the best for their community.

It's the bad apples like this officer that overshadow the many many good ones thanklessly putting their lives on the line daily, and that is a shame.
This post was edited on 5/27/20 at 8:10 am
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126857 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 8:23 am to
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I'm looking forward to Officer Tatum's inevitable video on this one. He can tell us all about how knee-to-neck contact is the most efficient way of gaining compliance from criminals.



he won't even post the video

he said its murder
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
25522 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 8:28 am to
Guessing this has been posted before but the Asian cop has been reprimanded previously for beating on a handcuffed person.
Posted by DaTiger
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Member since Jul 2005
1696 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 8:52 am to
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But I can assure you if the officer wanted to go out and kill a guy that day - or just lost his cool while the perp was resisting and wanted to kill him - there are much better, more conspicuous ways he could've done it. Kneeling on the guy's neck in the middle of the street with a crowd shooting video, other officers, and even EMS around seems like the opposite of what you'd want to do as an officer wanting to kill a guy and walk away scott free.


This statement resonates in so many ways. It prompts me to think that there is so much more to this situation. In no way do I think that this man deserved to be treated in this manner. Also, there is no way that these cops didn’t see or weren’t aware of all the witnesses and video being taken. You have to ask yourself why ? Who benefits from this? The answers can be scary and disturbing.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
23569 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:02 am to
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he won't even post the video

he said its murder


I just scrolled through his Twitter and he's justifying that no-knock warrant death by saying the girl was in the drug business too. He's a boot licking CLOWN.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41878 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:16 am to
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I just scrolled through his Twitter and he's justifying that no-knock warrant death by saying the girl was in the drug business too.


Yeesh.

For his sake I hope he's just playing a character in order to generate the most clicks/views but I kinda feel bad for the people who fall for his shtick. Hogballs lol
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
Orlando, Florida
Member since Jan 2007
30115 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:49 am to
I am as right wing as it gets and that piece of shite cop should get whatever max penalty he can for that. That was as brutal as anything I have seen, and in all honesty I think part of it was playing to the crowd showing everyone who is boss.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 9:55 am to
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Errerrerrwere


Like a moth to a flame....
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:01 am to
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and in all honesty I think part of it was playing to the crowd showing everyone who is boss.


Bingo. The power aspect is probably more of the issue than racism.
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
25522 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:10 am to
lol...is this for real? Going around twitter now.

This post was edited on 5/27/20 at 10:41 am
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
14540 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:12 am to
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I am as right wing as it gets


Maybe my fellow conservatives will remember that limited government and non-authoritarianism means being very critical of all taking of lives by the state, even if the person who's life was taken was "resisting." The "thin blue line" and conservative values are very close to antithetical opinions, at least in how they are expressed/held in current day America.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216679 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:14 am to
Agreed...... some cops think they are all high and mighty just because they wear a badge.....
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:16 am to
Because most people who call themselves conservative are not actually conservative and have no idea what conservative actually means. Like you said, defending all things police do with "just comply" is an authoritarian rallying cry.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33964 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:17 am to
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And yeah if you can scream that you "cant breath" you are breathing you stupid frick


So if the guy would've said "I'm having difficulty breathing" the cop would've got off his neck?

But if he says "I can't breathe" he's obviously lying and is fine. Idiot.
This post was edited on 5/27/20 at 10:19 am
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:18 am to
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Adorable. Another one that can’t read and thinks I’m a cop!


I am actually shocked that you have not lied and tried to claim you are a former cop just like you claimed you are a former/used to be/current general contractor.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87727 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:19 am to
It's probably about as real as the Brunswick shooter klan rally photo

Someone finds a somewhat similar photo, perhaps edits it, then posts it on Twitter where it is shared a million times and Twitter somehow doesn't bother to concern itself with that misinformation.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
24878 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:20 am to
It’s kinda funny because you’d think it be the other way around

Many on the left generally are all for the government and its services yet they hate cops

While many of those on the right are generally weary of the government and always talk about less government reach except when it comes to things like cops

Of course not everyone on either side thinks that way but it seems to be a common sentiment
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
124884 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:20 am to
Drumpf’s America
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
61502 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:22 am to
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Maybe my fellow conservatives will remember that limited government and non-authoritarianism means being very critical of all taking of lives by the state, even if the person who's life was taken was "resisting." The "thin blue line" and conservative values are very close to antithetical opinions, at least in how they are expressed/held in current day America.
conservative politics does not (and has never) meant small government
Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time
Member since Sep 2012
25522 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:22 am to
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Someone finds a somewhat similar photo, perhaps edits it, then posts it on Twitter where it is shared a million times and Twitter somehow doesn't bother to concern itself with that misinformation.


That would be my guess as well.
This post was edited on 5/27/20 at 10:27 am
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