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re: Megachurch as a business
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:56 am to Pettifogger
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:56 am to Pettifogger
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Let's say Andy lives in an 800k home. You're right it's not terribly extravagant for his book sales and church leadership, but it's still a pretty nice life for a minister. But that same question applies to us (church members, Christians), too. Do wealth and comfort at some point become interference? I think the answer is probably yes.
Andy built that house almost 20 years ago when NP was just getting going. Main reason it is worth what it is, is that it's in Alpharetta.
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:57 am to The Spleen
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I cannot understate the immense pressure there is on our family to attend one of the local mega churches
Doesn't really match up with this:
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their friends' parents are constantly inviting us to attend that church
People asking you to go to church is immense pressure?
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:57 am to Pettifogger
Andy will never make Al Gore or Clinton money in this line of work.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:57 am to Geauxld Finger
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I remember good old Deano Rizzo. Had a beautiful million dollar home and a gorgeous wife. Then he got caught fricking the 18 year old audio visual girl (who was quite pretty as well). It’s good to be the pastor
Why would this be a problem for him? He is forgiven if he simply sits down alone in a room and asks God to forgive his sin. If God forgives him then why can't Mrs. Rizzo? Maybe she's being influenced by Satan?
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:58 am to DevilDagNS
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The Church of the King cult on the NS is obnoxious.
What about it is obnoxious? I attend that church and I think there’s a great sense of community there. Everyone is welcome. Do you have any clue how much that church gives back to the community?
Get over yourself
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:59 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Andy built that house almost 20 years ago when NP was just getting going. Main reason it is worth what it is, is that it's in Alpharetta.
I hear you, but Andy probably has the money for a much larger house if he likes. I'm guessing he is pretty sensitive to the appearance of extravagance (which he should be) but it doesn't necessarily eliminate the idea that money can be a hindrance simply because he doesn't flaunt it. It does separate him from prosperity gospel "pastors" he might be lumped in with simply due to his fame.
Make no mistake, I'm only picking on North Point because I've gone there and it's local. I have questions about Stanley and NP, but I'm glad they're doing what they do.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:59 am to ShoeBang
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Not disparaging you or your church, but for reference, what vehicle does your pastor drive and how large / approximate value is his / her house?
Funny you should ask...
The pastor at the church (small, nondenominational church with about 40-50 patrons) that my in-laws CONSTANTLY try to get my wife and I to attend has a 69’ cutlass and it’s in my buddy’s shop getting a new 700R motor put in it
The pastor is an ex lawyer who used to have his own helicopter. In addition to his cutlass, he has an F-250 King Ranch, a badass Harley, and his wife drives a $75K SUV
frick that shite
One of the things that really bothers me is the blatant ‘sales pitch’ he delivers every time there’s some sort of event at the church. It’s completely obvious that he’s just trying to get more money from new people, but the congregation doesn’t even realize it. My in laws make pretty good money, and they FAITHFULLY give 10% of it to the ‘church’.. it’s despicable
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 10:04 am
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:59 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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It’s not at all based in Scripture though but as long as you don’t care that’s cool.
I have heard thousands of sermons over my life. Not a single one was completely "based in Scripture."
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:01 am to 1999
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Go through some of the old Dino rizzo threads. I read a few threads about him and then saw him preach at coh. It’s was certainly a different experience lol.
I’ve seen some of those threads, and this isn’t the popular opinion, but me personally I believe God can heal, forgive, and restore. If I didn’t, then I’d still be looking down on most of the guys that God used as examples in the Bible. I know it’s not the popular opinion, but it’s one that I hold.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:02 am to LSUFanHouston
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Traditional church attendance is declining. Places like church of the highlands are exploding in attendance. Maybe it’s the traditional churches that need to retool.
Because to many young people, traditional church is boring AF.
Yep. The preacher at my parents' "traditional church" has used the exact same sermon, word for word, for the past four Easters. This past Sunday was the first time that I have ever fallen asleep in church and I was not even hung over or anything like that.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:02 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Andy built that house almost 20 years ago when NP was just getting going. Main reason it is worth what it is, is that it's in Alpharetta.
It was an almost million dollar home 20 years ago, when built. He has a fleet of cars as well. He may be a great guy, buy he and all of extended family definitely live extravagantly as far as material possessions
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 10:03 am
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:03 am to Halftrack
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“You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.” ? L. Ron Hubbard
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:07 am to AU4real35
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I’ve seen some of those threads, and this isn’t the popular opinion, but me personally I believe God can heal, forgive, and restore. If I didn’t, then I’d still be looking down on most of the guys that God used as examples in the Bible. I know it’s not the popular opinion, but it’s one that I hold.
Meaning He can heal/restore Dino or that what Dino does falls into that category?
I agree with the former. I don't know much about the controversy, so just looking for clarification
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:08 am to Pettifogger
Meaning that God can heal, restore, and forgive Dino.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:11 am to Champagne
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Why would this be a problem for him? He is forgiven if he simply sits down alone in a room and asks God to forgive his sin. If God forgives him then why can't Mrs. Rizzo? Maybe she's being influenced by Satan?
Are you sure that you're not a preacher? That's the kind of useful, self serving shite that you could use to absolve yourself from the pulpit.
Think about it; it's a good job.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:15 am to oauron
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People asking you to go to church is immense pressure?
No, the frequency at which they do is, along with the constant comments from the kids because that is where their friends go to church.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:17 am to AU4real35
Very true...buy maybe Dino should do something besides preach? Plenty of guys in the forgiveness bc they got busted business.
Start at highland and Bluebonnet...drive to where Airline and Coursey meet. Over/under on churches will surprise you.
Start at highland and Bluebonnet...drive to where Airline and Coursey meet. Over/under on churches will surprise you.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:17 am to Pettifogger
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But it raises the question of whether churches like that will be sustainable and be able to keep their focus on the original intent.
The road to destruction is generally paved with good intentions. The problem is once they start down the road, they don't see it and become hypocrites and shysters, completely invalidating their supposed integrity.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:20 am to chunk
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You want to start to fix the problem? Take away that 501c3 status. What business is it to for a church to be in a contract with the government? I wonder what what happen to these churches if this were to happen?
The argument isn't that churches as 501c3 are in contract with the government, but rather, churches have no obligation whatsoever to the government.
I'm not sure I'm ready for churches to be forced to open their books and report to the governemnt. However, I do think it would be reasonable to require churches to file 990s if they want money donated to them to be deductible from the donor's income tax.
A church would be well within their right to decline to open their books, it would just mean that their donor's don't get a tax deduction.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:22 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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A little prosperity gospel will put you in a good mood. It’s not at all based in Scripture though but as long as you don’t care that’s cool.
Joel preaches about happiness, smiles, and unicorns.
A lot of people like hearing about happiness, smiles, and unicorns. Some will even pay to hear that message.
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