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Man Banned from National Parks For Organizing 139-Person Grand Canyon Hike
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:15 pm
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A Washington State man faces probation and a multi-year ban from several United States national parks after he pled guilty to misdemeanor charges stemming from a 139-person group hike he organized in the Grand Canyon in defiance of park guidelines.
Joseph Don Mount, of Chehalis, Washington, pled guilty to violating park rules limiting group size to 11 people on the October 2020 hike. He will serve two years on probation and will be banned from entering national parks in northern Arizona including the Grand Canyon during that time.
The National Park Service first became aware of Mount's plans in September 2020, when the Grand Canyon's permit office received a tip that a large group of more than 100 people was planning to hike the canyon on October 24. The pseudonymous tipster sent a screenshot of a post by Mount in a private Facebook group noting that he had "112 COMMITTED HIKERS COMING FROM 12 DIFFERENT STATES!!!" and talking about the importance of taking precautions so that they wouldn't draw attention to themselves. Grand Canyon National Park has limited sizes for under-the-rim groups to 30 since 2014, and further lowered the limit to 11 after the Covid-19 pandemic began. When Mount spoke to the park's permit office, however, he said he was bringing a group of 12 people; when advised that his group was slightly over the limit, he asked about the possibility of splitting it up to comply with the park's rules, and was informed that was not allowed.
However, Mount kept planning the hike--and park rangers, who had gained access to the Facebook group, continued to monitor it, going so far as to call him again to warn him against hiking the canyon with an oversized group. All that meant that when the hike went ahead as planned, rangers were in place and witnessed the whole thing.
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Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:19 pm to hikingfan
is this like those mall rules that were supposed to keep gangs from wandering about?
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:22 pm to hikingfan
What does he gain from bringing that many people?
Also why is the park service limiting groups to 11. Everyone knows that COVID is virtually none transmissible outdoors.
Also why is the park service limiting groups to 11. Everyone knows that COVID is virtually none transmissible outdoors.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:23 pm to TheEnglishman
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What does he gain from bringing that many people?
the smug sense of self-satisfaction that he stuck it to the man
In reality he's just a douche.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:23 pm to hikingfan
He should get banned for life. Dumb piece of shite. Is nothing sacred anymore? Yeah let’s treat the National Park with same respect one shows the mall.
ETA: many people use national parks and the outdoors to connect with something more beautiful and meaningful than anything else available in our petty, superficial, social media-induced coma of a society. And of course the narcissistic zombies want to ruin that as well.
ETA: many people use national parks and the outdoors to connect with something more beautiful and meaningful than anything else available in our petty, superficial, social media-induced coma of a society. And of course the narcissistic zombies want to ruin that as well.
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:27 pm to hikingfan
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Grand Canyon National Park has limited sizes for under-the-rim groups to 30 since 2014
not familiar with GC or hiking... what's the pre-covid reason for this?
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:29 pm to TheEnglishman
2014 Article
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Park managers say they know trail use is growing, but it was only last year that they launched a program to track use. Rim-to-rim hiking on peak days has increased about 25 percent since last year, going from 300-500 hikers a day to 400-600. One day, monitors counted 300 people starting a rim-to-rim hike in a 3½-hour period. This taxes the trails, which cannot be made wider. It also strains the wastewater treatment plant that serves Phantom Ranch, the collection of bathrooms, canteen and cabin at the bottom of the Canyon.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:29 pm to Slagathor
Trail integrity would be my guess.
You have too many people in a group and you'll always have one or two dumbasses venture off the trail then all bets are off. That's how people end up bear meat.
You have too many people in a group and you'll always have one or two dumbasses venture off the trail then all bets are off. That's how people end up bear meat.
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:29 pm to Slagathor
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not familiar with GC or hiking... what's the pre-covid reason for this?
Because people don't know how to respect the land is my guess
Cramming a 100 person group onto a trail is just an a-hole thing to do.
This post was edited on 3/30/22 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:30 pm to Slagathor
My best guess would be the size and difficulty of the trails and the impact of too many people on them (including folks who don't police their trash.) Not that everyone is looking to hike national parks, but out of a population of 330,000,000 only groups of 11 or less can hike the Canyon every so many minutes, I guess it would be?
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:30 pm to Slagathor
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not familiar with GC or hiking... what's the pre-covid reason for this?
Probably to make sure there are enough resources (aka rangers) available to help if anything happens.
If shite goes down, it’s a big effort on their part to be able to provide assistance. Not like you can just drive down to the bottom.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:31 pm to Slagathor
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not familiar with GC or hiking... what's the pre-covid reason for this?
The paths are very narrow. Large groups are more likely to damage the area around the paths, impede other hikers, and are more likely to get themselves and others injured.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:31 pm to Slagathor
Not enough room, scared the hole will fill in with too many people.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:31 pm to DosManos
quote:Jesus Christ man. It's people walking in the desert. They're not burning redwood trees.
He should get banned for life. Dumb piece of shite. Is nothing sacred anymore? Yeah let’s treat the National Park with same respect one shows the mall.
ETA: many people use national parks and the outdoors to connect with something more beautiful and meaningful than anything else available in our petty, superficial, social media-induced coma of a society. And of course the narcissistic zombies want to ruin that as well.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:32 pm to lsunurse
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If shite goes down, it’s a big effort on their part to be able to provide assistance. Not like you can just drive down to the bottom.
I hear you can expect a hefty bill if you have to be airlifted out.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:32 pm to Pfft
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scared the hole will fill in with too many people
best answer
many thanks to all of the informative replies above as well!
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:35 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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hear you can expect a hefty bill if you have to be airlifted out
I would imagine so.
There is a book about all the various types of deaths in the Grand Canyon btw. Very interesting read.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:35 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Big issue, as people go down un prepared. Not enough fluid and not aware of the fitness level required.
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:36 pm to lsunurse
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book about all the various types of deaths in the Grand Canyon
considering I go down an Everest death rabbit hole every time there's a thread here, I should get that
Posted on 3/30/22 at 1:38 pm to Pfft
Maybe the park service should be in charge of the border.
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