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re: Louisiana's execution protocol unsealed. New detailed plans to use nitrogen gas released.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 10:05 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Posted on 3/7/25 at 10:05 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
I know in tires Nitrogen makes it impossible for air to escape because the molecules are too big. I’m guessing it works similarly in the body?
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Posted on 3/7/25 at 10:17 am to chryso
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Im pretty sure 15 minutes is always longer than 5 minutes
Another example of shite journalism
This might be an example of poor reading comprehension.
Or he might just be dumb. Never completely discount that possibility.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 10:22 am to OysterPoBoy
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I know in tires Nitrogen makes it impossible for air to escape . . .
If nitrogen makes it impossible for air to escape, then shouldn't you have just nitrogen in your tires after "airing" them up a couple of times times? If you are only going to lose ~20% of the air in the tires, then when you air it back up the next time, you are up to ~96% nitrogen anyway, right?
Posted on 3/7/25 at 10:43 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
I’ve been saying this for over a decade. It is an instantaneous death and is completely painless. It’s also insanely cheap compared to the current medicinal cocktail.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 10:44 am to F1y0n7h3W4LL
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What was wrong with the needle?
Didn’t the company making the chemical essentially stop?
Posted on 3/7/25 at 10:45 am to Dingeaux
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Biologically, I don't know what the level of pain or discomfort will be. Maybe the person will just pass out and then die.
There is no pain with N2. It displaces the oxygen in your body and you just pass out and eventually die from lack of oxygen. You almost don't even realize it, as you just go to sleep mostly peacefully.
CO2 on the other hand would be better served here for executing murderers. WHen you fill your lungs with CO2 it gives the body the urge to want to breathe b/c you want to expel the CO2 and take in O2. Since you have no oxygen, you still pass out and eventually die from lack of oxygen, same as the N2 poisoning, but you struggle initially b/c your body wants to breathe before you pass out, so it gives the body the fear of not being able to breathe before passing out.
And no i'm not testing this on humans, but CO2 is used to kill animals like chickens and until recently they started doing studies on lab rats and are realizing this is a somewhat painful way to die as opposed to N2. I'm just trying to sell N2 generators to chicken farms for slaughter, which is why I know all this.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 10:48 am to Cosmo
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Im pretty sure 15 minutes is always longer than 5 minutes
Another example of shite journalism
You didn't understand the premise, I suppose.
If it takes him 11 minutes to flat line, then they will add 5 minutes for a total of 16 minutes.
If it takes him 9 minutes to flat line, they will allow the flow to stop at the full 15 minutes.
They are saying to pick the longest of the two scenarios.
This post was edited on 3/7/25 at 11:57 am
Posted on 3/7/25 at 10:55 am to TeddyPadillac
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WHen you fill your lungs with CO2 it gives the body the urge to want to breathe b/c you want to expel the CO2 and take in O2.
I believe it’s the CO2 in the bloodstream that drives the need to breathe, and causes the pain similar to holding your breath. As the concentration increases, the drive to take a breath does as well.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 11:33 am to Cosmo
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officials will turn on the nitrogen hypoxia system and either allow the gas to flow for 15 minutes or for 5 minutes after the inmate's heart rate reaches a flatline on an EKG, whichever is longer.
Im pretty sure 15 minutes is always longer than 5 minutes
Another example of shite journalism
Or another example of blaming shite journalism for shite reading comprehension.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 11:42 am to mdomingue
Some booze, heroin, and carbon monoxide would work just as easily
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:38 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
I'm all for this. Nitrogen is almost free. The cocktail to kill was way too much as used. Though i say just shoot them all up with a solid gram of fentanyl.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:39 pm to Adam4848
Nitrious oxide and nitrogen two different things. One will make you giddy and the other will kill you because it is an inert gas.
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While both nitrous oxide and nitrogen are gases, the key difference lies in their chemical composition: nitrous oxide contains oxygen atoms alongside nitrogen, giving it distinct properties including the ability to act as a mild anesthetic, unlike plain nitrogen which is simply two nitrogen atoms bonded together and is considered inert.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:51 pm to SeafoodPlatter
quote:Its going to be similar with nitrogen manufactures. All the majors already came out with statements that they will not supply the state for this. I guess there are ways around that the state could take or they could go to little mom/pop welding shops that don't care about the optics
I thought it was because the manufacturers refused to supply them to the jails
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:52 pm to Dingeaux
quote:There is essentially zero pain. You pass out quickly and then you die
Biologically, I don't know what the level of pain or discomfort will be. Maybe the person will just pass out and then die.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 2:06 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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I’ve been saying this for over a decade. It is an instantaneous death and is completely painless. It’s also insanely cheap compared to the current medicinal cocktail.
So is a bullet to the head.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 2:24 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Long drop hanging is ridiculously cheap and effective. The math is simple. A decent carpenter can erect the entire scaffold from raw materials in about 4 hours (of course, you can use a permanent gallows for decades, if not centuries, with the barest minimum of maintenance, particularly if maintained indoors or otherwise under cover and protected from the elements).
You can even use hemp rope if you'd like.
Long drop is also instant and (almost) painless.
You can even use hemp rope if you'd like.
Long drop is also instant and (almost) painless.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 3:25 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Get a load of this Angola!
Posted on 3/7/25 at 3:56 pm to TigerTatorTots
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Its going to be similar with nitrogen manufactures. All the majors already came out with statements that they will not supply the state for this. I guess there are ways around that the state could take or they could go to little mom/pop welding shops that don't care about the optics
They could always get one of those tiny military ASUs and let the work details run em.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 4:00 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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The drugs cost a ridiculous amount of money and the screw ups can lead to torturous results
Just use fent. Why does it have to be some exotic cocktail? Fent is cheap as hell, it’s just lights out, painless etc.
Posted on 3/7/25 at 4:06 pm to F1y0n7h3W4LL
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What was wrong with the needle?
From what I understand there were some errors or failures with that method, some of which were quite painful. Much as I don't like death row inmates, I have a hard time condoning torture.
That said I hold "torture" and "cruel and unusual punishment" to be two different things. We are so pro-convict these days that I've heard there are regulations against calling convicts names such as "chomo" for child molester.
I think that convicted violent offenders and drug dealers should live a hard life. Hard bed, hard work, long hours, lack of comforts such as air conditioning. Put those SOBs to work so they are incentivized to truly not come back.
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