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Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:21 am to Bullfrog
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There are a metric shite ton of fees and charges that are not tuition that have to be paid. It’s not a free ride.
yeah...if you do well enough on the ACT, you have money left over from TOPS
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:30 am to NotGrammarKnotsi
Every college has scholarships for students that perform well, and grants are also available for underprivileged students. Those more than cover the costs associated with school
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:31 am to LSU316
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require some time of work in the state
Dealbreaker. How long will you require people to stay and what would be the consequence? Life intervenes. If I want, or need, to move because of health, family, etc. is the state going to hold me hostage for $50k?
The Road Home program after Katrina had similar requirements. If you took the money, you had to live in the house for four years. Between the time people got the money, completed the construction and moved back into their 1,000 sf, 2 bedroom home, they might have gained twins and a mother with Alzheimer’s. Life intervenes.
If you get to the point where you have to threaten people to stay post degree, you are doing everything else wrong.
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 9:33 am
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:52 am to MarcusQuinn
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I want, or need, to move because of health, family, etc. is the state going to hold me hostage for $50k?
Yes.
At that point it turns into a student loan you have to pay back.
That seems fair to me.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:58 am to I B Freeman
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I B Freeman
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1) end TOPS
Our Budget is $33,000,000,000.00 (USD) for this year. I'll admit to not having the total expenditures required for TOPS funding, but based on last year ($291 million in the article I saw), let's assume (dangerous I know) that it's going to run us $300,000,000.00
Congrats, IB Freeman. You've just erased .009 (9/10th's of 1%) of the total Budget woes of the State of Louisiana.
That your #1 bullet point doesn't actually raise to the height of 1% of the budget issue this state faces pretty much tells me the rest of this Top 5 isn't going to do any better to structurally stabilize our funding issues.
If you have any leanings towards fiscal conservatism whatsoever, the Constitutional Convention is the hill you die on ideologically.
Period. Point Blank.
For kicks, I looked up SUNO's FY2017-2018 Budget
I'm not the smartest man in the world, but it appears that they receive less than $7,000,000 in Total State Funds.
So #1 and #5 on your list still fail to even amount to 1% of the State's recently passed operating budget based on figures I can find.
Congrats. Nice going.
F*ck out of here with your idiocy man. You're a dilettante and always have been. We need solutions...and the ONLY real solution is a Constitutional Convention.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:00 am to GFunk
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You've just erased .009 (9/10th's of 1%) of the total Budget woes of the State of Louisiana.
Gotta start somewhere
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:03 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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This post was edited on 10/1/20 at 11:23 am
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:09 am to GFunk
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GFunk
Barry... Is that you?
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:12 am to lostinbr
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When did TOPS become need-based?
It is not technically "need based" at this time, but the standards have been lowered through the floor to give lower income students, who will obviously have disproportionately lower academic records, a piece of the pie.
I have no problem with some sort of program to help "disadvantaged" students, but that is never what TOPS was meant to be.
The benefits to top performing students are suffering to allow kids who never should be going to college in the first place go waste a year or two chasing that degree.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:15 am to GFunk
I looked up SUNO's budget a while ago, and it was small comparatively speaking, but the campus and school are both very small. The land isn't worth a damn unless sold to UNO, and another research and tech park can be built.
Also, starting somewhere is still a start. It's an acknowledgement from the state that there is a problem in that area. Take a page from The Book of SJW, and slowly whittle away what you don't like (or start big, end small, and still win)
Also, starting somewhere is still a start. It's an acknowledgement from the state that there is a problem in that area. Take a page from The Book of SJW, and slowly whittle away what you don't like (or start big, end small, and still win)
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:16 am to fallguy_1978
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I'm no fan of TOPS but if it exists why should there be an income restriction and why wouldn't private school kids qualify
Because private school kids=white republican type people
And magildachunks does nothing but whine about those type of people on here nonstop
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:19 am to Jake88
Where does the government get the money it spends? From taxpayers! You seem to forget that's it's taxpayers money they're spending, so rewarding the taxpaying citizens with higher education is not welfare. In fact, it's one of the few things Louisiana does correctly for its citizens.
I also agree the standards are too low and the funding issue could be solved with a higher minimum ACT score. If you're getting a 20 on the ACT, college isn't for you.
In the Duke TIP program every year, thousands of 7th graders routinely outscore the lowest TOPS recipients, but no one would say a 7th grader who scores a 22 ~ 24 is ready for college. But we'll wait 4 years and TOPS gladly endorses a 17 year old who struggles to break 20 going to college at state expense.
I also agree the standards are too low and the funding issue could be solved with a higher minimum ACT score. If you're getting a 20 on the ACT, college isn't for you.
In the Duke TIP program every year, thousands of 7th graders routinely outscore the lowest TOPS recipients, but no one would say a 7th grader who scores a 22 ~ 24 is ready for college. But we'll wait 4 years and TOPS gladly endorses a 17 year old who struggles to break 20 going to college at state expense.
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 10:33 am
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:20 am to Hammertime
Don't forget Southern has the LOWEST graduation rate (5% !!!) of any university in the USA!
Effectively, 95% of the funding for Southern is wasted.
Effectively, 95% of the funding for Southern is wasted.
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 10:22 am
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:24 am to Deactived
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Because private school kids=white republican type people
Those people probably pay more in taxes than most. We pay for our shitty schools that I refuse to send my daughter to and private school tuition
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:30 am to fallguy_1978
If students don't qualify for TOPS, isn't enough free money like the Pell Grant, work study programs available to pay for most of the college expenses. The Pell Grant has to pay damn near enough.
Students that can only afford to go to college with Gov't help should stay close to and live at home and use the gov't assistance to further their education.
Students that can only afford to go to college with Gov't help should stay close to and live at home and use the gov't assistance to further their education.
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 10:39 am
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:31 am to LaBR4
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Pell Grant has to pay damn near enough
You would think, but nah
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:32 am to LaBR4
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If students don't qualify for TOPS, isn't enough stuff like Pell Grant, work study programs to pay most of college.
You spent too much time banging your English teacher and not enough time learning grammar.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:35 am to TH03
My bad, I left out a few words, the lady in front of me in line got through checking out with her La Purchase card faster than expected, pressed submit on akk-see-dent
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