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re: Louisiana legislators compromise to fully fund TOPS
Posted on 6/26/18 at 8:51 am to magildachunks
Posted on 6/26/18 at 8:51 am to magildachunks
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Want Republicans to compromise? threaten to take away their entitlement programs.
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Posted on 6/26/18 at 8:57 am to LSU316
quote:Almost every single job working as an engineer at a plant or mill requires you to have 3-5 years of experience working in that specific type of plant or mill. Who's gonna get those jobs?
There are jobs in this state....and decent paying ones at that.
Texas will gladly hire new grads for entry-level jobs. Louisiana will not. Logical solution is to start your career in Texas. That's not the fault of the students. That's the fault of the state.
I don't think you understand that they plan to work here after school. They want to live here after school. The state isn't providing that environment for them
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 9:02 am
Posted on 6/26/18 at 8:58 am to LSU316
So to gather ideas from this thread to fix TOPS that I like with some tweaks:
- Raise requirements to 3.5 GPA (ACT won’t fly because people will cry racism that some students can’t prep or train for testing)
- Require minimum GPA once in school. Go below, say a 2.5, and you’re on probation for the rest of college. Do it again and your TOPS is revoked and you have to pay something back to the state or work 500 hours of community service picking up trash on the sides of the streets
- Require 2 years of employment in the state of Louisiana within the 10 years post-graduation or some money will be paid back. This allows for grad schools outside of the state and to come back. Also allows for internships/entry level positions at major companies outside the state and the chance to come back to our state with that experience.
- Close SUNO (and probably 1 or 2 other schools)
- Encourage usage of TOPS in trade schools more. This is allowed, but a lesser-known and under-utilized aspect of the program.
- Raise requirements to 3.5 GPA (ACT won’t fly because people will cry racism that some students can’t prep or train for testing)
- Require minimum GPA once in school. Go below, say a 2.5, and you’re on probation for the rest of college. Do it again and your TOPS is revoked and you have to pay something back to the state or work 500 hours of community service picking up trash on the sides of the streets
- Require 2 years of employment in the state of Louisiana within the 10 years post-graduation or some money will be paid back. This allows for grad schools outside of the state and to come back. Also allows for internships/entry level positions at major companies outside the state and the chance to come back to our state with that experience.
- Close SUNO (and probably 1 or 2 other schools)
- Encourage usage of TOPS in trade schools more. This is allowed, but a lesser-known and under-utilized aspect of the program.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 8:58 am to Oilfieldbiology
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When did it turn into such a massive waste?
When they eliminated the income restriction and allowed private school kids to qualify.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 8:59 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:do this for every other state entitlement program too
work 500 hours of community service picking up trash on the sides of the streets
Posted on 6/26/18 at 8:59 am to magildachunks
quote:when was this?
When they eliminated the income restriction and allowed private school kids to qualify.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:00 am to TigersOfGeauxld
TOPS money is just used to party for free for a year or get a degree and immediately move... to Texas. And/or buy a car. That’s it. It’s a government handout (to families in the state that have paid taxes the last 20 years) that nets zero in return. It’s a waste of money and all outcomes are bad.
Incredible. The state funds higher education and the knee-jerk reaction is to crap all over it. Exhibit A of why an educated person might choose to leave.
Incredible. The state funds higher education and the knee-jerk reaction is to crap all over it. Exhibit A of why an educated person might choose to leave.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:00 am to TheCaterpillar
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ACT won’t fly because people will cry racism that some students can’t prep or train for testing
This is the BS attitude that got us where we are with TOPS and the budget in this state in the first place....but yea on everything else you said.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:00 am to LSU316
quote:This is false. There are a metric shite ton of fees and charges that are not tuition that have to be paid. It’s not a free ride.
BUT when you get a 100% free ride from the state of LA
Plus at lsu, freshman have to live in the dorms and be on a meal plan at a tune of +$5000 per semester.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:02 am to magildachunks
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When they eliminated the income restriction and allowed private school kids to qualify.
I'm no fan of TOPS but if it exists why should there be an income restriction and why wouldn't private school kids qualify? The private schools are leaps and bounds better than most of the non magnet public schools.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:02 am to Hammertime
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Almost every single job working as an engineer at a plant or mill requires you to have 3-5 years of experience working in that specific type of plant or mill. Who's gonna get those jobs?
Again TOPS is optional....if you don't like your prospects with the program's requirements then don't take it.
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That's the fault of the state.
No doubt.....maybe when we save all this money on TOPS they can work on that.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:03 am to Bullfrog
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This is false. There are a metric shite ton of fees and charges that are not tuition that have to be paid. It’s not a free ride. Plus at lsu, freshman have to live in the dorms and be on a meal plan at a tune of +$5000 per semester.
OK change the word ride to the word money.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:06 am to Bullfrog
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Plus at lsu, freshman have to live in the dorms and be on a meal plan at a tune of +$5000 per semester.
There's easy ways around that and it's not a requirement if you live within like a 25 mile radius of campus.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:09 am to LSU316
It's cute that y'all are acting like TOPS makes a hill of beans' worth of difference in the budget. It costs what...approximately $300 million?
DHH spends about 40% of our total, $33 BILLION dollar budget. The budget as a whole has increased 8% in the past three years alone.
There are a ton of Republicans that talk a lot of sh!t about tax reform who haven't gotten any of it done. There are a ton of Liberals who talk big sh!t about the regressive nature of sales taxes who didn't get anything other than those regressive taxes passed.
Our blue-ribbon commission on tax reform and budget policy gave an unbending rule that we should not create new spending without having the existing funding on the books to pay for said expenditures. Yet that is EXACTLY what we did. We came up with new costs and expenses and THEN found a way to pay for it. Bass ackwards on the part of the folks who said they would abide by the bi-partisan nature of the commission created by HCR 11.
Meanwhile, with everyone from the Governor to LABI and a myriad of groups in between advocating for a Constitutional Convention that could unbind us from our limited ability to truly make structural budgetary reform on a state government level, it didn't get done, either.
If you're a tax-and-spend type, then you won going away. Your base DGAF about the hit to their pocketbook sales taxes put on them. If you're a Republican, it appears you have a lot of explaining to do to your base.
In the end though, despite the House mutinying against a long history of heavy Gubernatorial power in selecting leadership when they elected Speaker Barras, it appears that the stories of the waning or the outright demise of the power of the Governor of Louisiana in State Politics is greatly exaggerated.
He may not have liked how he got there, but JBE did what he wanted to do and got what he wanted done.
All you pearl-clutching anti-Vitter Republicans can own this tax climate and this budget. It's your doing in large measure.
DHH spends about 40% of our total, $33 BILLION dollar budget. The budget as a whole has increased 8% in the past three years alone.
There are a ton of Republicans that talk a lot of sh!t about tax reform who haven't gotten any of it done. There are a ton of Liberals who talk big sh!t about the regressive nature of sales taxes who didn't get anything other than those regressive taxes passed.
Our blue-ribbon commission on tax reform and budget policy gave an unbending rule that we should not create new spending without having the existing funding on the books to pay for said expenditures. Yet that is EXACTLY what we did. We came up with new costs and expenses and THEN found a way to pay for it. Bass ackwards on the part of the folks who said they would abide by the bi-partisan nature of the commission created by HCR 11.
Meanwhile, with everyone from the Governor to LABI and a myriad of groups in between advocating for a Constitutional Convention that could unbind us from our limited ability to truly make structural budgetary reform on a state government level, it didn't get done, either.
If you're a tax-and-spend type, then you won going away. Your base DGAF about the hit to their pocketbook sales taxes put on them. If you're a Republican, it appears you have a lot of explaining to do to your base.
In the end though, despite the House mutinying against a long history of heavy Gubernatorial power in selecting leadership when they elected Speaker Barras, it appears that the stories of the waning or the outright demise of the power of the Governor of Louisiana in State Politics is greatly exaggerated.
He may not have liked how he got there, but JBE did what he wanted to do and got what he wanted done.
All you pearl-clutching anti-Vitter Republicans can own this tax climate and this budget. It's your doing in large measure.
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 9:11 am
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:11 am to LSU316
Like I said earlier, if you know what the job market will look like in 4-5 years, better get your money into the market now. You're like Nostradomus, Jr. or something.
People don't want to leave their homes, families, and everything they know. That's not a hard concept to understand
People don't want to leave their homes, families, and everything they know. That's not a hard concept to understand
quote:Any money "saved" will immediately be allocated for something else. Legislators are fighting over it before the savings are passed
maybe when we save all this money on TOPS they can work on that
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:13 am to GFunk
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All you pearl-clutching anti-Vitter Republicans can own this tax climate and this budget. It's your doing. Almost entirely.
You are 100% right.
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DHH spends about 40% of our total, $33 BILLION dollar budget. The budget as a whole has increased 8% in the past three years alone.
There aren't near enough people in the state government right now with the balls to do anything about this.
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everyone from the Governor to LABI and a myriad of groups in between advocating for a Constitutional Convention that could unbind us from our limited ability to truly make structural budgetary reform on a state government level, it didn't get done, either.
It's all lip service....especially when a guy with the buddies like JBE has starts talking about it. I'm not even sure Vitter could have gotten around his friends to get this done although I feel like he would have at least tried a little.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:13 am to GFunk
1) end TOPS
2) make income tax fair by making the government class pensioners pay income taxes on their retirements like the rest of us do
3) end film welfare, live music welfare, and digital media welfare now
4) quit funding policing with state troopers of New Orleans while they build unneeded airports, have a 60%+ water bill delinquency rate and refuse to maintain their roads
5) shut down SUNO at least.
Now when all of this done they should be able to cut taxes.
2) make income tax fair by making the government class pensioners pay income taxes on their retirements like the rest of us do
3) end film welfare, live music welfare, and digital media welfare now
4) quit funding policing with state troopers of New Orleans while they build unneeded airports, have a 60%+ water bill delinquency rate and refuse to maintain their roads
5) shut down SUNO at least.
Now when all of this done they should be able to cut taxes.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:16 am to Hammertime
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People don't want to leave their homes, families, and everything they know. That's not a hard concept to understand
It's also not a hard concept to understand that you very seldom get what 20K-30K (more maybe IDK) without having some sort of comeuppance on the back end. If you make that decision it better not be an emotional one.
I realize that most people are too stupid/naive to understand that is but that the cost of doing business.
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 9:20 am
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:18 am to GFunk
Very few legislators want less money. They just have to figure out ways to make you think they're saving you money before actually wasting more money.
If there's a chance for them to get more, they'll take it. The Reps compromised from an original $0.25 (and dems were at $0.50) to $0.45. Don't think they weren't trying to get more money. They were happy with the "compromise", because it made them look like they did something
If there's a chance for them to get more, they'll take it. The Reps compromised from an original $0.25 (and dems were at $0.50) to $0.45. Don't think they weren't trying to get more money. They were happy with the "compromise", because it made them look like they did something
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:19 am to I B Freeman
The bottom line is that I don't see any of this pie in the sky shite that we are talking about being done in this state....it won't be done by the next governor I don't think (especially if that guy is Landry...he is beholden to too many special interests). JBE certainly won't do it.
We are going to have to fundamentally change government in this state to change anything and personally I don't think the ruling elite want it to happen no matter what the people say.
We are going to have to fundamentally change government in this state to change anything and personally I don't think the ruling elite want it to happen no matter what the people say.
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