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re: Louisiana legislators compromise to fully fund TOPS
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:38 am to LaBR4
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:38 am to LaBR4
Here's the biggest problem with TOPS: if you get accepted to a state college, you basically qualify for it.
It's pretty much the free college system that all those on here defending TOPS ridiculed Bernie for.
It's pretty much the free college system that all those on here defending TOPS ridiculed Bernie for.
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Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:45 am to magildachunks
quote:
It's pretty much the free college system that all those on here defending TOPS ridiculed Bernie for.
Bernie wants everything to be "free"
He just leaves out the fact that we'd have to pay like 75% tax rates to pay for all of his free shite
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:45 am to LaBR4
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:56 am to GEAUXT
quote:Agreed. It has become a state funded party time for many. There needs to be an income limit, higher qualifications, and a penalty for not graduating (i.e. reimbursement or staggered funding).
Yep. What was once a fantastic way to reward students for busting their arse to make good grades is now just government funded tuition for everyone from Kayleigh to Tyrone.
It should never have become a needs based scholarship. The point of TOPS was to reward merit.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:33 am to NOSHAU
1.) Get a Constitutional Convention on the books
2.) Elect a Republican with Brass Balls
3.) End Medicare Expansion/Gut LDH
4.) End statutorily protected agency funding for State Government via #1
No 1 is easy because everyone’s on record supporting it.
No 2 should be even easier given what JBE’s done to his electorate.
No 3 should be simple once No 2 occurs.
No 4 follows No 1
2.) Elect a Republican with Brass Balls
3.) End Medicare Expansion/Gut LDH
4.) End statutorily protected agency funding for State Government via #1
No 1 is easy because everyone’s on record supporting it.
No 2 should be even easier given what JBE’s done to his electorate.
No 3 should be simple once No 2 occurs.
No 4 follows No 1
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:36 am to el Gaucho
quote:
Tops isn’t an entitlement program, you have to work hard for it. At least a 2.0 gpa and a 12 on the act
this is some of your best work . Well played sir Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:38 am to NOSHAU
Agreed on all but the income limit. TOPS should always be a merit based reward for children of (tax paying) residents, otherwise it's just a welfare program for a sliver of the population who mostly cannot qualify or perform academically. We need to reward achievement, not redistribute wealth with the program.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:43 am to GFunk
There is no spending you do not like.
It is just fiction that we need a constitutional convention to do the things I proposed.
Period. Point Blank.
It is just fiction that we need a constitutional convention to do the things I proposed.
Period. Point Blank.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:16 pm to magildachunks
quote:
When they eliminated the income restriction and allowed private school kids to qualify.
I hope my private school kids can do better than Louisiana state schools
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:17 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Would bang
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:38 pm to I B Freeman
quote:
It is just fiction that we need a constitutional convention to do the things I proposed.
The fact is to fix the problem we need the convention....anything else is essentially kicking the can down the road....however I don't expect any governor anytime soon that won't do exactly what JBE just did.....get the legislature to kick the can down the road so that he doesn't have to fricking deal with it again before he is done.
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:55 pm to GEAUXT
quote:
Yep. What was once a fantastic way to reward students for busting their arse to make good grades is now just government funded tuition for everyone from Kayleigh to Tyrone.
It should never have become a needs based scholarship. The point of TOPS was to reward merit.
You're woefully misinformed.
TOPS started with an 18 ACT score, 17.5 core units, and a 2.5 GPA. Once you obtained those marks, you also had to be under the income cap to get it. It was a combination of merit and needs based criteria.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 12:56 pm to GFunk
quote:
1.) Get a Constitutional Convention on the books 2.) Elect a Republican with Brass Balls 3.) End Medicare Expansion/Gut LDH 4.) End statutorily protected agency funding for State Government via #1
Well, yes. That’s definitely Barry.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 1:00 pm to slackster
quote:
You're woefully misinformed.
TOPS started with an 18 ACT score, 17.5 core units, and a 2.5 GPA. Once you obtained those marks, you also had to be under the income cap to get it. It was a combination of merit and needs based criteria.
And eventually the academic requirements scaled with income, then it was opened to private schools, then the income scaling was done away with.
I didn't get TOPS because I was lacking one credit in Computer science, which would have been overlooked with my ACT and GPA, but my dad's income was too high.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 1:04 pm to magildachunks
Funny enough, the original bill in 1989 was opposed by some conservatives as fiscally irresponsible. It was also opposed by many black politicians who said the 18 ACT score was discriminatory as the average black ACT score in LA was 14 at the time. 30 years later and nothing has changed.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 1:20 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
That's good news. TOPS was huge for me. I mean, it wasn't going to NOT pass, but still good news. And idk why you Texas people keep on about our own going to Texas. More of my classmates in law school were from Texas than anywhere besides Louisiana, and half or more stayed. Hardly anyone besides Texas people went to Texas.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 1:23 pm to slackster
quote:
Funny enough, the original bill in 1989 was opposed by some conservatives as fiscally irresponsible. It was also opposed by many black politicians who said the 18 ACT score was discriminatory as the average black ACT score in LA was 14 at the time. 30 years later and nothing has changed.
I thought it started under Foster? It wasn't around when I graduated HS in '96.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 1:31 pm to LaBR4
quote:
The Pell Grant has to pay damn near enough.
That’s a big fat negative on that one. I graduated HS a year before TOPS so frick me...no TOPS for me.
As someone from a lower income family...that shockingly was smart considering what many posters on here seem to think of poor people....I had to pay for college with scholarships, pell grants, and student loans. Because I switched schools after a semester in shitty Monroe...I didn’t qualify for a scholarship when I switched to LSU. So that means loans and pell grants and whatever job I was working to pay for my personal expenses (housing, car, insurance, etc).
Point is....pell grant was awesome to have and I was very grateful for it. But it no way pays for all of college. I think I got maybe $1000-$1400 max a semester in pell grants. Even in the late 90s...that didn’t pay for everything.
Posted on 6/26/18 at 1:31 pm to magildachunks
quote:
I didn't get TOPS because I was lacking one credit in Computer science, which would have been overlooked with my ACT and GPA, but my dad's income was too high.
TOPS was never income based
TOPS was never limited to public high schools
Posted on 6/26/18 at 1:33 pm to fallguy_1978
1998 was the first year
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