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Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:26 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Remember when he and his cronies in the legislature almost killed the Calcasieu River bridge so that he could try to claim responsibility for saving it? Yeah, this guy has always been extremely transparent if you actually paid attention.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:37 pm to lion
Not sure why this is being downvoted. It is accurate. Once we added the levees, sediment stopped being distributed in the basin. The outflow was essentially to a drop off. Then as we dredged, while we knew we were losing land, we took the sediment offshore and…dropped it in deep water.
I encourage folks to get to the center for river studies and see the interactive model in action. When you see the magnitude of what we are dealing with, you will realize dozens of these sediment diversions combined with beneficial use dredging would be needed to just slow down the bleeding. Ain’t gonna happen.
Also, unlike 100 -150 years ago, there are locks and dams all along the Mississippi and the tributaries that feed her. The sediment load isn’t what it was. Land mass is being formed in and around these structures upriver from sediment accumulation. It isn’t making its way to SE LA. Barge that down to us as well.
I encourage folks to get to the center for river studies and see the interactive model in action. When you see the magnitude of what we are dealing with, you will realize dozens of these sediment diversions combined with beneficial use dredging would be needed to just slow down the bleeding. Ain’t gonna happen.
Also, unlike 100 -150 years ago, there are locks and dams all along the Mississippi and the tributaries that feed her. The sediment load isn’t what it was. Land mass is being formed in and around these structures upriver from sediment accumulation. It isn’t making its way to SE LA. Barge that down to us as well.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:08 pm to LSUFanHouston
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So I'm guessing the $3B will go to dredging companies, barging/trucking companies, and pipeline construction companies as we will start trying to dredge the dirt out of the river, and barge / truck / pipe it to try to build land elsewhere.
What’s wrong with this? This is a more certain way of building land that doesn’t have any of the diversion drawbacks. I didn’t understand the love for the diversion in the first place, Davis Pond was promised to fix lafitte and it hasn’t done dick. Every project that comes online is promised to be “different” than the one which proceeded it.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:21 pm to TJG210
Dredges and barges are bandaids on bullet holes in the coastal erosion conversation. The scope of work to do meaningful land restoration with boats is unattainable.
The only REAL solution to coastal erosion is to unrestrain the entire eastern watershed. That isn't attainable either, so we choose to live with the erosion and play silly games that make us feel better, but don't really change anything.
Our offspring will just need to find somewhere else to live. Simple as that.
The only REAL solution to coastal erosion is to unrestrain the entire eastern watershed. That isn't attainable either, so we choose to live with the erosion and play silly games that make us feel better, but don't really change anything.
Our offspring will just need to find somewhere else to live. Simple as that.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 1:27 am to Slippy
Reading through this thread, I have come to the conclusion that Louisiana deserves what it gets. This is such a good microcosm of the state. Also, people comparing us to the Dutch are hilarious. The Netherlands 100 years ago is still light years ahead of modern Louisiana in terms of competence, ingenuity and desire for self-betterment.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 2:55 am to Slippy
Louisiana voted in a Governor that refused to participate in a debate so he wouldn’t ruin his chances to win. Go figure
Posted on 3/1/24 at 3:49 am to red sox fan 13
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Dutch
I understand this is a natural comparison, and I’m certainly no expert here. But last I checked the Dutch don’t have hurricanes? A Quick Look and the rhine has a flow rate of 100,000 cu ft/s of water while the MS river is almost 600,000 cu ft/s. It certainly seems that while they may have done a great job, their task was a hell of a lot smaller to start.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 5:19 am to Slippy
This is actually a big balls move by the Governor! This diversion woild create 10 times less land than dredging would in less time with less money!
This saves one of the states largest exporting industries and the livelihood of THOUSANDS of residents!!
Anyone who supported this diversion plan is either waiting on a kickback or just an environmental moron!
This saves one of the states largest exporting industries and the livelihood of THOUSANDS of residents!!
Anyone who supported this diversion plan is either waiting on a kickback or just an environmental moron!
Posted on 3/1/24 at 5:33 am to baldona
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But last I checked
I see this phrase used. Do you really periodically go “check”such things ? How many times have you checked if so ?
Posted on 3/1/24 at 5:56 am to TJG210
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Davis Pond was promised to fix lafitte and it hasn’t done dick
Davis Pond was developed to stop the salt water line. It was not designed as a sediment diversion. If I remember, this diversion increased soil density and did build some land even though it was not designed to. Besides, that area got wreck by Ida
Plus, to the dumbasses saying that diversions don't work - go look at what the nutrients from Caernarvon has provided to the east bank and compare that to the dead marsh on the west bank. Barataria will provide much-needed and always overlooked nutrients into the marsh.
Mardis Gras Pass and the growing Atchafalaya delta are great proxies to show just how fricking dumb Billy an his cronies are.
bullshite Billy at it again.
This post was edited on 3/1/24 at 6:20 am
Posted on 3/1/24 at 6:21 am to Roy Curado
No doubt Mother Nature is…well let’s just say there is a reason for the term “force of nature” but I’ve just provided you with a case where the scientist and more than got it right, they reversed the effect.
But if the Dutch can reclaim land from the North Sea, making their country 17% larger, I think we can do something about Louisiana losing a football field an hour.
While you can check my post history to know how aggravated I get driving around Baton Rouge, and I’d love to put an equal amount of money into traffic problems. But you can’t honestly think doing nothing is our only choice at fighting against erosion.
But if the Dutch can reclaim land from the North Sea, making their country 17% larger, I think we can do something about Louisiana losing a football field an hour.
While you can check my post history to know how aggravated I get driving around Baton Rouge, and I’d love to put an equal amount of money into traffic problems. But you can’t honestly think doing nothing is our only choice at fighting against erosion.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 6:22 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Dredges and barges are bandaids on bullet holes in the coastal erosion conversation. The scope of work to do meaningful land restoration with boats is unattainable. The only REAL solution to coastal erosion is to unrestrain the entire eastern watershed. That isn't attainable either, so we choose to live with the erosion and play silly games that make us feel better, but don't really change anything. Our offspring will just need to find somewhere else to live. Simple as that.
This is the best explanation in the entire thread thus far. There is no substitute for natural land stabilization/deposition and at this point it ain’t happening. Not to mention the majority of that part of south Louisiana has been dissected by man made canals and cuts for industry that just amplifies the situation.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 6:28 am to LSUFanHouston
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Why would the river shoal in?
Velocity. The levees maintain the River’s velocity to keep the sand and silt suspended in the water column. Once you take away the levees the water slows to a standstill (See Head of Passes) and the sand falls out and piles up.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 6:34 am to patchesohoulihan_007
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if the Dutch can reclaim land from the North Sea, making their country 17% larger, I think we can do something about Louisiana losing a football field an hour.
The Dutch are really into dredging. They love it.
Something productive could be done, no doubt. There is just no "fixing" it within the bounds of being reasonable.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 6:35 am to patchesohoulihan_007
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It’s a shame we didn’t, and haven’t send people over there ever since their projects started bearing fruit.
Here's the thing, we didn't have to send people over. They willingly came over here. I worked with the Dutch for nearly a decade after Katrina. They taught us everything they know, and then we...just threw it all away.
I'm not joking when I say it's one of the main reasons I moved away. A lot of good people wanted to help, but those in charge ignored everything. I said, "frick it, if they don't want to help themselves, then I won't keep trying to fight for this." So, I left. Y'all can have your dying coast and sinking cities.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 6:35 am to tigerpawl
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I applaud their efforts. However, it has ALWAYS been a foregone conclusion that because of the size, scope, and magnitude of this issue, Mother Nature always wins. It's a wonderful humanitarian gesture, but it's always been destined to fail from Day#1. Just being honest.
Mother Nature gonna Mother Nature. It's been happening for millions of years.
But mother, nature is not winning, that’s why we have the problem in the first place.
Humans dyking up the river is the problem. Humans 1, Mother Nature 0.
Posted on 3/1/24 at 6:36 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Dredges and barges are bandaids on bullet holes in the coastal erosion conversation. The scope of work to do meaningful land restoration with boats is unattainable. The only REAL solution to coastal erosion is to unrestrain the entire eastern watershed. That isn't attainable either, so we choose to live with the erosion and play silly games that make us feel better, but don't really change anything.
This is false. Dredging is by far the most effective coastal restoration technique because it’s quick and you can build exactly what you need without impacting other areas. The problem is it’s expensive and the State’s funding is limited. Once you dredge the projects begin to settle and eventually in 20-30 years will be under water. If the was a dedicated federal appropriation of $800-900M we could sustain the coastline that we have today.
In 2020 the CPRA Chairman made the statement that “this was the first year the State of Louisiana built more land than lost”. That tells you that it’s possible…. Just not with the State’s available funding. Which is why it needs to be a federal responsibility since the Corps of Engineers caused the problem in the first place
Posted on 3/1/24 at 6:40 am to TJG210
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What’s wrong with this? This is a more certain way of building land that doesn’t have any of the diversion drawbacks. I didn’t understand the love for the diversion in the first place, Davis Pond was promised to fix lafitte and it hasn’t done dick. Every project that comes online is promised to be “different” than the one which proceeded it.
1. Building land by dredging and construction is a bandaid. If you don’t change the processes that destroyed the original land to begin with, you’re just filling a never ending hole. No state has the money to spend billions annually on dredging, hauling, construction, etc.
2. Davis pond wasn’t promised to fix shite in lafitte besides stop saltwater intrusion, and it’s done the job.
You need to do some research on coastal erosion.
This post was edited on 3/1/24 at 6:42 am
Posted on 3/1/24 at 6:41 am to Marshhen
Not entirely false. He said bandaids. Dredging will never ever replace the amount of sediment that flows over the continental shelf daily. And yes it is expensive and it doesn’t keep up with the pace of erosion happening daily.
Again there is no practice to reclaim land better than flooding of the river itself. But it ain’t happening.
Again there is no practice to reclaim land better than flooding of the river itself. But it ain’t happening.
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