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Posted on 7/30/26 at 12:37 pm to Dixie2023
my office forced everyone back into the office in april 2020. We were deemed logistically neccessary. Doing this sorta forced me to not care about covid. I worked from home more in 2019 then i did in 2020. A very flexible job turned into a butt in the seat 8-5 gig.
Our labor pool had to be at the shop or at customers locations, it is impossible to fix equipment from home so our leadership decided everyone had to come back. They said it was a solidarity thing but really they just assumed that people wouldnt work from home. Despite the fact that all the sales guys already worked from home proir to covid. It was all about control, they had us doing all sorts of useless busy work.
Unrelated to covid it was already an extremely toxic place to work, that said it was nice to get out of the house.
They put a few people on unpaid leave because they socialized outside of the office. One of them invited their families over to swim. We got a company wide email that any socialization outside of work is against covid policy with potential termination as punishment. I never really could wrap my head around the fact that they forced us in office and then expected us to be cautions everywhere else.
That year sucked.
Our labor pool had to be at the shop or at customers locations, it is impossible to fix equipment from home so our leadership decided everyone had to come back. They said it was a solidarity thing but really they just assumed that people wouldnt work from home. Despite the fact that all the sales guys already worked from home proir to covid. It was all about control, they had us doing all sorts of useless busy work.
Unrelated to covid it was already an extremely toxic place to work, that said it was nice to get out of the house.
They put a few people on unpaid leave because they socialized outside of the office. One of them invited their families over to swim. We got a company wide email that any socialization outside of work is against covid policy with potential termination as punishment. I never really could wrap my head around the fact that they forced us in office and then expected us to be cautions everywhere else.
That year sucked.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 12:44 pm to Dire Wolf
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They put a few people on unpaid leave because they socialized outside of the office. One of them invited their families over to swim. We got a company wide email that any socialization outside of work is against covid policy with potential termination as punishment
This is absolutely insane but I believe you. I was the manager over a turnaround and at one point I had about half of the night shift out with covid. Most of these people actually didn't have covid, but through contact tracing they were not allowed to come to work. I was sitting in a progress meeting and I had the plant maintenance manager asked me," why can you not hire people that don't get covid?" I just looked at the guy and everybody at the table was silent. He really wanted an answer. I told him that if he knew a way for me to control what my employees did outside of work that I would love to know what that is. He didn't have a follow-up question and we had some good laughs after.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 12:45 pm to Dire Wolf
Remember these clowns?
Posted on 7/30/26 at 12:47 pm to Nado Jenkins83
Meanwhile on Reddit, this was posted this week
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I need some help knowing how long I need to stay N95 masked in my house tonight. Earlier a relative came in to use the restroom for around 5 minutes unmasked. There were 2 HEPA air purifiers running in different areas of the house on full blast, but all windows were closed. Then 90 minutes went by. Then he needed to use the restroom again unmasked for 5 minutes. My HEPA air purifiers are still running full blast and I just opened 2 windows. How long do I need to stay masked in my house? Will opening more windows make much difference? The house is 1600 square feet if that helps. There is no exhaust fan in the bathroom or in the house at all.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 12:53 pm to TBoy
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The thing that jumps out at me from skimming a few dozen pages of that thread is that if a real killer disease appears in the human population, we won’t be able to stop it. We can’t stop it.
I’m not sure the lesson is “we can’t stop a real killer disease.” The lesson may be that government and 'medical professionals' squandered public trust on a disease most people were never personally at serious risk from.
Also, that’s quite a convenient conclusion to draw after only “skimming a few dozen pages” of a 1,190-page thread. Congrats, you skimmed maybe 3–5% of it.
Out of curiosity, did you post in that thread? I don’t remember.
This post was edited on 7/30/26 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 7/30/26 at 1:00 pm to ell_13
Keep mind people in that thread were losing their minds and threatening to sue people over this mortality rate:
The George Carlin quote comes to mind here: "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
That was demonstrated over and over in that thread.
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0–17 years< 0.01%
18–29 years~ 0.01%
30–49 years~ 0.05%
50–64 years~ 0.5%
The George Carlin quote comes to mind here: "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
That was demonstrated over and over in that thread.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 1:14 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I lost an uncle to it. I personally think the treatment was what killed him - it was in the ventilator + remvesdimir era of the whole thing and he was a reasonably fit man in his early 50's.
Sorry about your uncle. There was a lot of unknown early on and when people come in with O2 sats in the 50s and breathing 40 times a minute intubation often seemed like the best thing to do… until we had enough data to say it wasn’t. Steroids, oxygen, remdesivir, BiPAP, and hope for the best… honestly the vaccine and antibody infusions were a godsend for the at risk population.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 1:16 pm to Stat M Repairman
Lol. I remember the double masking talk, but I didn't remember that they were seriously talking about triple masking at one point.
This post was edited on 7/30/26 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 7/30/26 at 1:23 pm to Dire Wolf
It did suck and was insane. I do feel bad for folks who had to take it to keep employed or stay in school clinicals. Some had no choice. When we reopened after lockdown, our large office tried to shame us into vaccinations by sending emails whenever someone popped positive. Not naming them, but giving general location so everyone knew and whether vacc or not. And made us fill out a form asking if we’d been vacc, not vacc, plan to be vacc or wish not to say. And made us wear masks to walk around offices. When the vaccinated starting popping pos more than not vaccinated, that little blurb fell off the emails. And then the ones who kept getting boosters and bragging. Crazy stuff.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 1:29 pm to Joshjrn
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Little flecks of it? Likely far more than you would like to think
So why don't we still require masks to walk through restaurants?
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And this is why you likely misremember. You even acknowledge that putting anything over your mouth would reduce saliva from getting past, but then go on an utterly unrelated rant about masks, which isn’t in the least bit relevant. Again, I understand why you’re pissed. I just disagree that the cited instance was “stupid or illogical”. It was simply wrong. Unfortunately, we’ve reached the point that we are no longer satisfied when our political opponents are wrong; we need them to be lying or stupid. Preferably both. Not that there isn’t plenty of that to go around, but now everything gets painted with that brush, which is less than constructive
But it is relevant. It's the majority of my point. Very early on logic showed that masks didn't really do anything and that Covid wasn't as serious as initially feared. Yet we had to play the dumb games for far longer (years really). And if spit is shooting out of mouths, then restaurants shouldn't have been open at all. That's sort of my point...it's either dangerous or it isn't. And the actions of those in charge showed very early on that it really wasn't dangerous.
Another example was when Fauci said something about absolutely having to wear a mask in public to protect from this very deadly virus, and then a few days later was chilling at a baseball game unmasked and around people.
So my point is that is was clearly "wrong, stupid, and illogical" very early on. Yet we all had to pretend it was. And I don't care or need my "political opponents" to be lying or stupid. But that doesn't mean they aren't both though. And on top of that, I don't look at Covid through a political lens because it should never have been a political issue. It was and should always have been a safety one. So your point about political opponents misses me by a large margin.
Sorry if I came off like a dick initially though. I wasn't trying to.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 1:30 pm to Woodlands Tigah
quote:This is very common, thanks in part to antigenic drift and viral competition. We have waves of various viruses and a seasonality whereby during some years certain viruses are more prominent in the community than others. Some years we end up admitting a ton of sick RSV patients, then the next year it’s flu, and then maybe back to covid the year after that.
Has Scruffy figured out why Flu cases disappeared in that same time frame? The U.S. went from 48 million flu cases and 2.9 million deaths in 2019 - 2020, to 2000 flu cases, ~20 million Covid-19 cases and 3.4 million deaths in 2020 - 2021.
quote:Absolutely, because influenza is prevented by droplet precautions (the masks everyone was wearing at the time) and covid is spread by aerosols and require an N-95 to prevent spread. Additionally aerosols linger in the environment and can transmit disease without close contact, whereas the flu essentially requires someone to cough or sneeze on you directly, hence why social distancing works for the flu but not covid. Scruffy is an MD and probably is already aware of this, to answer the initial question of your post. I hope this helps.
Did shutdowns, mask mandates and social distancing kill Influenza, but not Covid-19?
Posted on 7/30/26 at 1:39 pm to CocomoLSU
the great thing about the mega COVID thread is that it's a time capsule from start to 4 years later. The only other thread I'd love to find is the Geroge Floyd thread. Was there a similar thread on the OT during the Summer of Love 2020?
Posted on 7/30/26 at 1:39 pm to Dixie2023
I just remember my kids disappointment. Daughter’s softball season got cancelled, my son’s LSU graduation got cancelled, and it delayed him a year starting Med school. He took a job as a ER tech back home waiting Med school to start and got to see the craziness first hand. I’m so glad my daughter had a Dr. with common sense. Daughter is/was an athlete in excellent shape and the Dr. said in no way shape or form did she need the “vax”. She even signed paperwork for LSU admissions stating this. Daughter gets put in a pool with the other unvaccinated students for random testing. I remember one time she got called to be tested 3 times in 1 week. It was fricking comical. Everything about that time in history seems like satire.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 1:46 pm to ell_13
FTSCS
Also still pure blood.
Also still pure blood.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 1:52 pm to Tiger Ugly
quote:Most of my patients trust me just fine within about thirty seconds of meeting me. Show people you care and you are willing to listen to their concerns and 99% of encounters will go smoothly. The OT (let’s not even mention the politards) are a very weird uber conservative societal niche that I don’t encounter elsewhere. I’ve exclusively practiced in red states, including rural areas, and never once have I encountered a whackadoo yelling about me being a whore to big pharma and pushing the “clot shot.”
That’ll be the main lasting effect, unfortunately. Public trust in basically everything was hanging by a thread and COVID just frickin nuked what was left of it.
quote:It was bad. Lots of disinformation and closed minds (who felt they were enlightened). I tried being diplomatic, explaining the nuances of medicine, the uncertainties, how and why we decide to implement new treatments, research basics and what constitutes good study design, what well-done RCTs showed about the vaccine and all the adjunct “treatments,” etc. It didn’t matter, to many I was still the enemy. I just gave up trying to fight it and stopped posting for a good bit. We all know despite the rhetoric that if anyone here got really sick they were going to the nearest ER to be treated by the doctors they railed against online.
Pretty much no one in that thread gave a single frick what some of the MDs on here thought then, outside of a few like ell_13.
quote:I love TD but you’re spot on. It’s hard to argue with the confidently incorrect. This place and Reddit are two sides of the same coin.
One thing about us all on the OT - sometimes wrong, but never in doubt!! and when we are right or even think we're right, self back pats mandated.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 1:55 pm to Stat M Repairman
Flashback to when vaccination sets you free.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 1:59 pm to cwil177
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Most of my patients trust me just fine within about thirty seconds of meeting me. Show people you care and you are willing to listen to their concerns and 99% of encounters will go smoothly. The OT (let’s not even mention the politards) are a very weird uber conservative societal niche that I don’t encounter elsewhere. I’ve exclusively practiced in red states, including rural areas, and never once have I encountered a whackadoo yelling about me being a whore to big pharma and pushing the “clot shot.”
This is apparently unbelievable to people. We've had full patient censuses to the degree that I sometimes wish this narrative about people's lack of trust in healthcare authorities were true. Even patients who might be considered problematic generally tell me things that are well outside the purview of the encounter really quickly. It also seems less likely to me that everyone who believes this is about the trust in medical professionals is also such a health nut that they would never present to clinic.
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