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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 4/4/22 at 11:59 pm to PassingThrough
Posted on 4/4/22 at 11:59 pm to PassingThrough
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Posted on 4/5/22 at 5:58 am to LegendInMyMind
NYTimes published journalist reports -
Russian mothers writing childrens data on their backs in permamnent magic marker if parents get killed -
LINK
Russian mothers writing childrens data on their backs in permamnent magic marker if parents get killed -
LINK
Posted on 4/5/22 at 6:47 am to Eurocat
Posted on 4/5/22 at 6:48 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Thanks. Don’t you think it would be beneficial to post both Russian and Ukrainian losses so we can get a clearer picture of what’s going on?
Honestly the Wikipedia article has decent info on this
Russian losses
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Acc. to Russia (25 March):
1,351 soldiers killed, 3,825 wounded[d][17]
Acc. to NATO (23 March):
30,000–40,000 soldiers killed, wounded, missing or captured (7,000–15,000 killed)[18]
Acc. to the United States (30 March):
10,000+ soldiers killed[19]
Donetsk PR:
Acc. to the Donetsk PR (31 March):
767 soldiers killed, 3,559 wounded[20]
Ukrainian losses
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Acc. to Ukraine (12 March):
1,300 soldiers killed[21]Acc. to the United States (9 March):
2,000–4,000 soldiers killed[22]
There are links to other estimates on the wiki page such as Russian estimates of Ukrainian losses
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14,000 killed, 16,000 wounded
24 February – 25 March 2022
Russian government
Posted on 4/5/22 at 6:51 am to Eurocat
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Russian mothers writing childrens data on their backs in permamnent magic marker if parents get killed -
Is Russia worried about Ukraine invading or what am I missing?
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:07 am to Eurocat
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NYTimes published journalist reports -
Russian mothers writing childrens data on their backs in permamnent magic marker if parents get killed -
LINK
Sad shite man. I scrolled that account for a bit from your post and she’s been sharing a lot on Bucha. Those interested should scroll her Twitter, but be warned there’s bodies bound and burned, and I mean charred. Sick sick people.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:14 am to Obtuse1
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You are the whole of the US administration back 2 months ago and you have carte blanche, no oversight from the other branches. What do you do (or not do) instead that will have a significant impact on where the world is now with regard to the war specifically?
Nothing. The damage was already done two months ago. This problem is rooted in US foreign policy failures going back to the break up of the Soviet Union. Instead of extending an olive branch to the Russian people with acts of economic and political goodwill, the US continued to treat them as an enemy. Instead of creating foreign policy to ally our nations against China, the US began to accept former Warsaw Pact nations into NATO, an organization which had outlived its purpose.
Instead of disbanding NATO and assuring Russia the former Warsaw Pact nations would remain neutral, the US sponsored regimes in these countries that were hostile toward Russia, aggressively pushing American influence closer and closer to their borders.
The Russia-Ukraine conflict is the result of decades long American foreign policy failures. Two months ago, their was no stopping it.
Ask yourself this question, why did we start this conflict, and how do we benefit by it continuing.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:35 am to Perfect Circle
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Nothing. The damage was already done two months ago. This problem is rooted in US foreign policy failures going back to the break up of the Soviet Union. Instead of extending an olive branch to the Russian people with acts of economic and political goodwill, the US continued to treat them as an enemy.
i agree somewhat but to be fair, it wasnt us that did this. Europe and the EU specifically, never treated russia as a partner. The 90s after the fall were a terribl terrible time in russia. If the EU had given them certain checkpoints to hit to ensure democracy and a path to EU and eventually nato membership we would have been much better off as a whole.
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Instead of creating foreign policy to ally our nations against China, the US began to accept former Warsaw Pact nations into NATO, an organization which had outlived its purpose.
Instead of disbanding NATO and assuring Russia the former Warsaw Pact nations would remain neutral, the US sponsored regimes in these countries that were hostile toward Russia, aggressively pushing American influence closer and closer to their borders.
eventutally we should have brought them into nato, but also should have brought russia in eventually. But like i mentioned we would have had to have check points lined up like free adn fair elections, free media etc.
instead we said....they have the GDP of florida....they are insignficant. That is how putin ends up in power.
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The Russia-Ukraine conflict is the result of decades long American foreign policy failures.
correction....failure of EU policy and failure of Americans to lead and see a path forward in the future.
this war is 30 years in the making essentially.
wuith all that said, frick putin. might be the west fault he is in power, but frick that little stalin frick.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:38 am to lsu777
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If the EU had given them certain checkpoints to hit to ensure democracy and a path to EU and eventually nato membership we would have been much better off as a whole.
The Russians don’t play well with others.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:44 am to Perfect Circle
Ah. Another student of ignoring history.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:44 am to TBoy
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The Russians don’t play well with others.
in the 90s they would have played with anyone that gave a hand. you under estimate how hard life was in russia in the 90s.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:48 am to lsu777
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in the 90s they would have played with anyone that gave a hand. you under estimate how hard life was in russia in the 90s.
Since when has the plight of the Russian people meant much of anything to Russian leaders?
Posted on 4/5/22 at 7:53 am to Perfect Circle
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Ask yourself this question, why did we start this conflict
That’s an incredibly disingenuous way of framing the war in Ukraine.
If you want to argue that our foreign policy towards Russia has been mishandled over the last 30 years - maybe. It’s a two way street. Putin has been in power in Russia for 23 years, spanning 5 different US administrations. I don’t think anyone can reasonably argue that he’s gone to great lengths to improve Russian relations with the west during that time.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 8:10 am to Obtuse1
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The T80 is an evolution of the T64 but I have no idea how many parts they share.
The T64 does make up a large percentage of the Ukrainian armor, but the Ukrainians have T80s and T72s too. It wasn’t so much tanks that I was referring to because Ukraine hasn’t been using its tanks that much yet. The Ukrainian tanks are just as vulnerable to the mud as the Russian tanks are, and they have been able to fend off the Russians with ATGMs. I was referring more to being able to use capture and damaged Russian equipment as spare parts for their BMPs, anti-aircraft vehicles, logistics vehicles, etc more so than tanks.
ETA: Ukraine has lost less than 100 of its 700+ modernizing T64s.
This post was edited on 4/5/22 at 9:41 am
Posted on 4/5/22 at 8:11 am to Perfect Circle
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Ask yourself this question, why did we start this conflict?
We didn't.
Russia did.
You seem to have a serious misunderstanding of this entire conflict.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 8:19 am to Centinel
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Ah. Another student of ignoring history.
Ahh, another student of the global political/economic elite's propaganda...a MSM viewer; dude.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 8:19 am to SteelerBravesDawg
The Czech Republic and Slovakia have started giving Ukraine tanks and more importantly opening their military industrial facilities to Ukraine so the Ukrainians can repair their own tanks and stuff. LINK
Posted on 4/5/22 at 8:21 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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We didn't.
Russia did.
You seem to have a serious misunderstanding of this entire conflict.
Enlightenment me.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 8:24 am to lostinbr
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I don’t think anyone can reasonably argue that he’s gone to great lengths to improve Russian relations with the west during that time.
Look at Russia in Syria. That tells you all you need to know.
Throw in Georgia and Crimea and you can easily see the Russian Bear at work.
Posted on 4/5/22 at 8:25 am to lostinbr
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Putin has been in power in Russia for 23 years, spanning 5 different US administrations. I don’t think anyone can reasonably argue that he’s gone to great lengths to improve Russian relations with the west during that time.
With some steps to shore up Democracy, the West would have loved a good relationship with Russia as we sit here and watch China get a full head of steam. Instead we're 23 years into a Russian regime that openly yearns for the "Good 'ol days" of the USSR/Cold War.
Plenty of criticism to be had that we didn't do enough in the 90's when Boris was in power.
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