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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:58 am to lsu777
Posted on 3/21/22 at 10:58 am to lsu777
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bro...frick off with this shite. we should not be putting any american lives in danger, period. this is a european problem, not american problem.
We are joined at the hip with Western Europe. I think you could argue this is an Eastern European problem of old Soviet bloc countries. But the US will fight for Western Europe. We may even fight with Eastern European countries in NATO.
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Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:04 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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They’re new and still trying to figure themselves out.
Ahh, that makes sense. For some reason I was confusing the Force Recon guys in Vietnam with Marine Raiders.
I didn't realize MARSOC was only formed in 2006.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:05 am to WeeWee
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Russia is also destroying the steel mills, fabrication plants, eyc needed to turn iron ore into usable products.
And schools, hospitals, museums. They bombed a 15th century monastery last week that was nowhere near any fighting. They are trying to destroy not only the industrial base, but the cultural institutions that make Ukraine a country. Oh and not to mention the mass deportations to the East that are taking place in Russian occupied areas. For someone whose stated aim was to denazify Ukraine, it's eerie how most of his actions are straight out of the Nazi playbook.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:06 am to Jim Rockford
Statist authoritarians gonna statist authoritarian.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:10 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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We are joined at the hip with Western Europe. I think you could argue this is an Eastern European problem of old Soviet bloc countries. But the US will fight for Western Europe. We may even fight with Eastern European countries in NATO.
russia isnt attacking a nato country and they wont. they can barely handle ukraine, much less anything else.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:13 am to lsu777
Yup. It's why I find people in this thread going "Putin is gonna crush Ukraine then attack Poland or the Baltics!" hilarious.
Poland alone would push Putin's shite in based on how things have been going in Ukraine. Those guys really, reaaaaaally hate Russians.
Poland alone would push Putin's shite in based on how things have been going in Ukraine. Those guys really, reaaaaaally hate Russians.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:14 am to lsu777
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russia isnt attacking a nato country and they wont. they can barely handle ukraine, much less anything else.
Understand what you are saying. I'm only trying to dissuade those with the notion that things are a European problem and not ours. I can handle Russia/Ukraine being a Soviet Union problem.
We've been active in European affairs since WWII. Before that, maybe not so much.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:16 am to Jim Rockford
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For someone whose stated aim was to denazify Ukraine, it's eerie how most of his actions are straight out of the Nazi playbook.
Another stated (and laughable) goal is to preserve the use of the Russian language in Ukraine. I suspect this will largely be the end of the Russian language in whatever emerges in the aftermath of this as “Ukraine.” My maternal grandparents’ mother tongue was German. But as German was also the language of Hitler, the speaking of German was verboten in my mother’s childhood home.
The only goal at this point of Russia appears to be the complete destruction of a western leaning democracy on the boarder of Russia. NATO on its doorstep is not the threat to the current Russia government. Ordinary Russian’s seeing their cousins engaging in a free and functioning civil society is the threat to the Russian government.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:28 am to Stidham8
Ukranian is not the same as Russian, it is similar.
Polish is more similar to Ukranian that Russian is.
Polish is more similar to Ukranian that Russian is.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:29 am to ned nederlander
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The only goal at this point of Russia appears to be the complete destruction of a western leaning democracy on the boarder of Russia. NATO on its doorstep is not the threat to the current Russia government. Ordinary Russian’s seeing their cousins engaging in a free and functioning civil society is the threat to the Russian government.
This here. Like the Maidan this all is mostly due to Ukraine integration into Europe.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 11:39 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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I can handle Russia/Ukraine being a Soviet Union problem.
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 11:40 am
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:04 pm to Eurocat
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Polish is more similar to Ukranian that Russian is.
Well, that’s because Western Ukraine, where Ukrainian comes from, was Poland.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:07 pm to WeeWee
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The Kievan Rus and the Grand Duchy of Moscow were combined by the Mongols after their invasion and conquest of both. The Kievan Rus resisted the Mongols more than Moscow did so the Mongols murdered more nobles of the Kievan Rus than they did Moscow nobles. Plus the Kieven Rus was hit harder by the plaques of the middle ages. When the Mongols were pushed out, the nobles of Grand Duchy of Moscow filled the power gap. After the collapse of the Russian Empire, Ukraine fought against being part of the USSR and only became part of the USSR as the point of a gun. Ukraine left the USSR as soon as it could. It also left the CIS as soon as it could as well.
Ukraine does not want to be Russian and never have.
Thanks for this, sincerely. This is the stuff this thread should include more than 90% of the last weeks worth of posts.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:14 pm to WeeWee
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After the collapse of the Russian Empire, Ukraine fought against being part of the USSR and only became part of the USSR as the point of a gun.
The Germans setup a puppet government in Kiev that was dominated by Westerners. This is the basis for modern Ukraine.
The people in Kiev had no idea who these people, their new leaders, were. They didn’t speak the same language.
The Donbas and Crimea was a center of White Russian resistance.
Edit - due to conscription who the peasants fought for came down to luck. If you were in an area with a Red Army, you would be pressed into it. The same was true with White regions. Many ended up fighting on both sides over the course of the war.
This post was edited on 3/21/22 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:23 pm to Lima Whiskey
Lebowski was in Crimea and then Russia? Props. I knew The Dude liked white Russians and Caucasians. Didn't expect him to travel around the world tho.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 12:29 pm to Dr RC
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I can handle Russia/Ukraine being a Soviet Union problem.
Said it on purpose. We can call it the Russian Federation right now but the Ruskies want their old Soviet Union back. Why did some of those tank soldiers have the flag on their tanks?
Posted on 3/21/22 at 1:29 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
If you haven't already I highly suggest watching the Putin Interviews. It is a series of great interviews done over a 6 yr period, gives great insight to what is going on now.
Posted on 3/21/22 at 1:38 pm to WeeWee
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Russia is also destroying the steel mills, fabrication plants, eyc needed to turn iron ore into usable products.
Is this what the tinder girls told you
Posted on 3/21/22 at 1:41 pm to SDVTiger
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Russia is also destroying the steel mills, fabrication plants, eyc needed to turn iron ore into usable products.
Is this what the tinder girls told you
Is this some dumb arse attempt at denying that Russia is not leveling entire areas of cities in Ukraine?
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