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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/22/25 at 12:30 pm to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 12:30 pm to
I am so glad Trump removed General Kellogg as the main negotiater. You can tell he was a Deepstate hack and his Daughter is making money off the War in Ukraine. Witkoff is realistic and knows the facts
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 12:54 pm to
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negotiater

Yikes.
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 12:57 pm to
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2 Christian leaders



Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 1:26 pm to
Agree NC.

The current situation is just a bitter pill for some to swallow.

Russia is not giving back any territory.
US will not let Ukraine join NATO, particularly with the latest moves.

At this point zelensky is behaving like a demented dictator. Weapons he doesnt have, wasting the ones he does have on publicity stunts in Russia while his troops are slaughtered of the front lines due to the same lack of artillery support.

Setting up a constitution where there will be no vote, he could easily call for one, but he wont.

Let it play out, it wont be long now.

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The report was published days after a statement by a Ukrainian member of parliament that as many as 200,000 personnel may have deserted since February 2022.


Posted by cypher
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 1:59 pm to

'They are Russian-speaking, and there have been referendums,' — Witkoff parrots Russian propaganda, legitimizing Putin's claims in Ukraine


by Natalia Yermak and Dmytro Basmat March 22, 2025 5:02 PM

U.S. special envoy to the Middle East, Steve Witkoff, who recently emerged as a leading figure in negotiations regarding Russia and Ukraine, revealed insights into ongoing ceasefire talks between Moscow and Washington.

In an interview on March 21 with American far-right political commentator Tucker Carlson, Witkoff openly parroted Russian propaganda and agreed with most of the Kremlin's talking points, further casting doubt on whether Ukraine can expect to gain a ceasefire on its terms.

"I think the largest issue in that conflict are these so-called four regions, Donbas, Crimea ... and there's two others," Witkoff said, apparently referring to partly Russian-occupied Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia oblasts, and Crimea, fully occupied by Russia since 2014.

"They are Russian-speaking, and there have been referendums where the overwhelming majority of the people have indicated that they want to be under Russian rule," Witkoff added in English, omitting the circumstances surrounding Russia's sham referendums "at gunpoint" in occupied Ukraine.

Following the start of Russia's all-out war, Moscow occupied parts of Ukraine's southern Zaporizhzhia and Kherson oblasts in 2022 by killing thousands of people and destroying cities and towns.

The same happened in Ukraine's east, where Russia further advanced in Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, a portion of which it held since 2014.

In September 2022, Russia annexed the four Ukrainian oblasts following sham referendums at gunpoint rejected by the international community as null and void. In videos published online, the vote was secured by the Russian military and under duress.

In the occupied regions, Russian forces systemically terrorized Ukrainian civilians with abductions and killings, committing war crimes such as rape and torture. Russia continues to consistently erase people's Ukrainian identity and prosecutes opponents of enforced Russification while also forcibly conscripting men to fight in the Russian army.

Ukraine continues to control regional capitals Zaporizhzhia and Kherson, with the later being liberated in November 2022. Following the liberation of the regional capital, thousands of people took to the streets in celebration, while thousands of others who were forced to leave were able to return home.

On the liberated territories, a number of Russian torture chambers were found.

Equating Ukrainian Russian speakers to Russians who support the war and using language as a way to justify its war against Ukraine is a common theme of Russian propaganda.


According to Witkoff, the problem around Russian-occupied oblasts is the Ukrainian administration's resistance to political fallout in case "the world (would) acknowledge that those are Russian territories."

"Can (President Volodymyr) Zelensky survive politically if he acknowledges this? This is the central issue in the conflict," Witkoff said.

Witkoff added that Russia "100%" doesn't want to wage a war in Europe or "absorb Ukraine" fully.

"(Russia's) reclaimed these five regions. They have Crimea, and they've gotten what they want. So why do they need more?" Witkoff added, not mentioning that Russia had made similar claims of not invading Ukraine prior to its full-scale invasion.

The Kyiv Independent




Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 2:00 pm to
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If this war continues Russia will potentially take 8 oblasts up to the Dnieper River instead of the four they currently are demanding. That will include Odessa, Mykolaiv, Dnipropetrovsk and Kharkiv.



I posted this on 3-18--25 and got downvoted to hell.

It is now being reported that Putin on the same day that he talked to Trump made the following statement to a conference of Entrepreneurs and Industrialists in Moscow:

If Ukraine and the US doesn't officially recognize the four regions that Russia now claims in a ceasefire as being Russian territory now the war will continue and they will take the four additional oblasts that I posted Odessa, Mykolaiv, Dnipropetrovsk and Kharkiv. He also said that he thought a ceasefire will be very difficult to achieve.

Anyone can see what their plan is. It is very evident that if their terms are not met now they will continue to fight until they have secured 8 oblasts. Even if a ceasefire does occur and Ukraine recognizes the four oblasts that Russia currently claims and fighting stops Putin is going to demand "protections" for the ethnic Russians in Odessa, Mykolaiv, Dnipropetrovsk and Kharkiv. This could include federalization for those regions in which if a Russian friendly government takes power in any of those regions a referendum could be held for them to join Russia like in Crimea.

So if Putin doesn't have to take them militarily he can set up an environment where he can potentially get them in the future.

Anyone can choose not to like it but that is reality.
This post was edited on 3/22/25 at 2:19 pm
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 2:09 pm to
Has John Barron volunteered to be in the trenches kissing icons?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 2:12 pm to
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At this point zelensky is behaving like a demented dictator
He's behaving like someone who realizes he could have ended this 3yrs and thousands of lives ago on basically the same terms he'll settle with in this round.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 2:27 pm to
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Has John Barron volunteered to be in the trenches kissing icons

He's not a real person so probably not.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 2:32 pm to
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CitizenK




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He doesn't acknowledge how Russian companies will not have layoffs but employees often have to wait up to 5 months to be paid their hourly wages.




Posted by Camp Randall
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 3:09 pm to
How much do you make per post, Comrade? Tell us about the operation.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 3:34 pm to
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ow much do you make per post, Comrade? Tell us about the operation.


He gets to kiss three "icons"
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 4:06 pm to
We tried to warn you stupid LARPing cucks

Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 4:58 pm to
Ukrainian Armed Forces Fled from Kursk Region in Panic after Russian Operation Potok — Wall Street Journal

??Field commanders of the Ukrainian Armed Forces ordered their subordinates to retreat even before they received orders from higher-ranking officers.
??It is claimed that the situation was critical for the Ukrainian Armed Forces units in the Kursk region even before the maneuver of Russian troops with the gas pipeline.
?"We couldn't hold out any longer," one of the Ukrainian sergeants told the publication.
??Ukrainian doctors note that due to the huge number of Russian drones, many forgot to look at the ground, which is why they were blown up by mines.
??The Ukrainian Armed Forces abandoned or blew up their heavy weapons. Western analysts estimate the ratio of equipment losses at about 1:1. This is disadvantageous for Ukraine, since Russia can replace the equipment more readily


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Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 5:19 pm to
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We tried to warn you stupid LARPing cucks


I should have listened to you. Next time I won’t send the troops in. I will just have them dig in. Thanks for the advice.
Posted by Bengalbio
Member since Feb 2017
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 5:32 pm to
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If Ukraine and the US doesn't officially recognize the four regions that Russia now claims in a ceasefire as being Russian territory now the war will continue and they will take the four additional oblasts that I posted Odessa, Mykolaiv, Dnipropetrovsk and Kharkiv.



But what about the Nazis?

I refuse to believe this was just about territory.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 5:33 pm to
Russia’s war economy and the 'Zugzwang' trap: Part Two of our interview with exiled economist Igor Lipsits

March 22, 2025, 01:35 PM

In Part One of our exclusive interview with renowned Russian economist Professor Igor Lipsits, we explored how the Kremlin’s financial mismanagement is leading the country toward a full-scale budgetary and industrial crisis. In Part Two, Professor Lipsits delves deeper into the mechanics of Russia’s war economy, the limits of Western business engagement, the illusion of a sanctions reprieve, and the emerging impact of Ukrainian drone strikes on Russia’s fuel and energy infrastructure.

The New Voice of Ukraine
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 5:35 pm to
"I WILL TAKE THIS!"

Posted by MoarKilometers
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 7:27 pm to
One of comrade barron's favorite sources

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Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 3/22/25 at 8:10 pm to
ISW Update March 22 2025

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Key Takeaways:

US Special Envoy to the Middle East Steve Witkoff uncritically amplified a number of Russian demands, claims, and justifications regarding the war in Ukraine during an interview on March 21.

Vladislav Surkov, a former close adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin, recently reiterated a number of longstanding Kremlin claims and ambitions that directly contradict Witkoff's assertions in an interview with French media aimed at Western audiences.

Surkov's statements are consistent with those made by Putin and senior Russian officials, who have recently and repeatedly stated that Russia intends to bring Ukraine under Russian control and establish suzerainty over neighboring countries in order to weaken the West and strengthen Russia's global influence.

Witkoff uncritically repeated several inaccurate Russian claims regarding the status of the Ukrainian territories that Russia illegally occupies.

Witkoff's statements undermine US President Donald Trump's stated desired end state for the war in Ukraine that achieves an enduring peace and is in the best interests of the United States, Ukraine, and Europe.

Ukrainian forces recently advanced near Pokrovsk, and Russian forces recently advanced near Siversk and Pokrovsk and in western Zaporizhia Oblast.

The Kremlin continues to innovate new ways to leverage conscripts to increase the pool of servicemembers eligible for military service in the future.


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