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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 8/28/24 at 9:22 pm to doubleb
Posted on 8/28/24 at 9:22 pm to doubleb
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The question for those who can't and/or won't read is, what happens to extended Ukrainian forces in Russia if Russia takes control of Pokrovsk? That question applies to anybody paying attention. What happens to the Ukrainian troops in Kursk if the Ukes on the front don’t hold and Russia is able to break through for once is a big deal. But if they do hold will Ukraine keep their gains and moreover put pressure on Russian forces on their right flank.
Everyone needs to pump the brakes on the Pokrovsk falling.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. ISW has been saying that Russia been making significant advances in the Donbas on and off for months. However, the Russians have only moved 24 km up the E50 highway in 6 months. The Russians are in Memryk which is a village 29 km on the E50 highway from Pokrovsk. They are also in Krasnyi Yar which is a village approximately 7.5 miles from Pokrovsk, but has no major road for Russia to advance on and the Russian army is still mostly a road bound force. If Russia can maintain its current advance rate Pokrovsk will be contested in December at the earliest unless Russia surprises everyone and advances much faster.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 9:23 pm to Jim Rockford
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I'd hate to put it down to general fecklessness.
You don’t think the goal of the cautious US policy was to deny Putin the opportunity to portray the US as attacking Russia via proxy?
I don’t like such a restrictive approach, and I applaud Ukraine for deciding to be more aggressive. Ask for forgiveness later.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 9:42 pm to AGGIES
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You don’t think the goal of the cautious US policy was to deny Putin the opportunity to portray the US as attacking Russia via proxy?
In a word, pussies
Posted on 8/28/24 at 11:01 pm to AGGIES
I'd like to see Ukraine roll up the Russian lines since they are behind their fixed defenses. Maybe they need a few hundred more Bradleys and Western tanks.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 1:21 am to StormyMcMan
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Russia's allies appear to be increasingly restricting their transactions with Russian companies and financial institutions amid ongoing concern about the impact of secondary US sanctions.
good
Posted on 8/29/24 at 3:31 am to Jim Rockford
quote:This communication is greatly underrated in the media. You know the US State Dept and the Kremlin are talking regularly, if not daily.
One wonders what kind of back door understanding the US has with Russia to prohibit Ukraine using long range weapons.
Washington is certainly getting quid pro quo, it's just not visible yet. On this level, the primary goal of the US is to locate and prepare to take control of the Russian nuclear weapons. This may be getting far ahead of the current events, but the story of how the Warsaw Block nuclear weapons were handled when the Soviet Union fell has never been appreciated. Like it or not, other than preventing a NATO-Russian war breaking out, a repeat of this effort is the primary US goal right now.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 4:16 am to Lee B
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Russia's allies appear to be increasingly restricting their transactions with Russian companies and financial institutions amid ongoing concern about the impact of secondary US sanctions.
good
Sullivan is in Beijing today to meet with Xi. Let's hope that this is on the agenda.
EDIT: it was.
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Full White House readout of Sullivan-Xi meeting: ????
“National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan met on August 29 with President Xi Jinping of the People’s Republic of China. The meeting was part of ongoing efforts to maintain channels of communication and responsibly manage the relationship between the United States and the PRC. The two sides discussed further implementation of the commitments President Biden and President Xi made at the November 2023 Woodside Summit, including on counternarcotics, military-to-military communications, and AI safety and risk. They also discussed cross-Strait issues, Russia’s war against Ukraine, and the South China Sea. Both sides welcomed ongoing efforts to maintain open lines of communication, including planning for a call between President Biden and President Xi in the coming weeks.”
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 4:48 am
Posted on 8/29/24 at 7:23 am to Lee B
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Said with no self-awareness or sense of irony.
What do I wish to be true? Be specific
Posted on 8/29/24 at 7:29 am to WestCoastAg
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Yea! We beat Arkansas Pine Bluff by a score of 3-0 in 7 OTs!!!!!!!
Sure, in the moment.
Unless the actual result is changed no one will remember or really care in even just 5 years. Vietnam gets remembered in the US because we used the draft in a conflict that we really didn't have any business being in and so much life was lost, but people don't really talk/care about the fact that in terms of our goals we lost. Whether we won over there or not doesn't even really matter since the (correct) prevailing thought nationally is that we shouldn't have been over there to begin with.
But if cheerleading for a horse who will likely finish second and break its legs going across the finish line gets your rocks off, go crazy.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 7:32 am to VolSquatch
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@KyivPost
The Russian government abruptly announces that oil and fuel production numbers will now be a state secret — Interfax
@KyivPost
The Russian government abruptly announces that oil and fuel production numbers will now be a state secret — Interfax
Posted on 8/29/24 at 7:38 am to WeeWee
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Everyone needs to pump the brakes on the Pokrovsk falling.
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ISW has been saying that Russia been making significant advances in the Donbas on and off for months. However, the Russians have only moved 24 km up the E50 highway in 6 months. The Russians are in Memryk which is a village 29 km on the E50 highway from Pokrovsk. They are also in Krasnyi Yar which is a village approximately 7.5 miles from Pokrovsk, but has no major road for Russia to advance on and the Russian army is still mostly a road bound force. If Russia can maintain its current advance rate Pokrovsk will be contested in December at the earliest unless Russia surprises everyone and advances much faster.
By current advance rate do you mean over the last 6 months, or over the last 2-4 weeks? Because those seem to be different numbers.
If Russia even gets close to Pokrovsk they can hit trains and vehicles with mortars, artillery, and drones and more or less shut down traffic unless Ukraine has an answer for that.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 7:42 am to cypher
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The Russian government abruptly announces that oil and fuel production numbers will now be a state secret — Interfax
"Just trust us folks"
Posted on 8/29/24 at 7:43 am to cypher
Russia's cash cow pre 2022 was its refined products. Having issues with internal needs not being met is a huge problem for the Kremlin.
Since sometime after 2000, Russia has spent a shitton on modernizing and expanding refining capacity with Europe and the US Northeast as target markets.
Since sometime after 2000, Russia has spent a shitton on modernizing and expanding refining capacity with Europe and the US Northeast as target markets.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 8:35 am to VolSquatch
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By current advance rate do you mean over the last 6 months, or over the last 2-4 weeks? Because those seem to be different numbers.
Neither side has proven that it can sustain a rapid advance for longer than 2-3 weeks at a time before they get bogged down. That is why I use the 6 month total because it includes the 1-2 week rapid advances and the time spent bogged down before the next rapid advance. Unless Russia breaks its pattern of advance and is actually able to exploit a breakthrough it will take Russia 4-6 months to reach Pokrovsk especially with the mud season set to start in 6 weeks or so.
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If Russia even gets close to Pokrovsk they can hit trains and vehicles with mortars, artillery, and drones and more or less shut down traffic unless Ukraine has an answer for that.
Yeah it’s called unloading trains outside of artillery range and then using trucks to transport supplies to the front.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 8:36 am to GOP_Tiger
Today’s batshit crazy PT post of the day goes to Westbank111. It’s still early in the day but we won’t see one better than this:
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not many people know this. 1. Russia took on the Khazarian Matiom aka “Satanis & descendants of Babylon. long history, google it 2. Khazarians took over european banking & vowed to take russia down eventually 3 Mother Russia helped keep the “patriots alive and supplied” during the American Revolution!!!! thru shipping and supply channels 4. Khazarians created the Bolsheviks & killed Tens of Millions of White Christian Russians along the way. Bolsheviks Communist Antifa BLM Ukraine they are all the same!
Posted on 8/29/24 at 8:37 am to REG861
Wow. I was so close to bingo. Just missed something about the Clinton's or Obamas
Posted on 8/29/24 at 8:39 am to WeeWee
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then using trucks
Yeah I forgot about all the transport trucks Ukraine has that are completely immune to drones
Posted on 8/29/24 at 8:42 am to VolSquatch
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then using trucks Yeah I forgot about all the transport trucks Ukraine has that are completely immune to drones
1. They are less vulnerable than a train.
2. Speaking of drones, how will Russia protect their supply lines once the mud season hits and the dirt roads become impassable leaving E50 has the only road that they will be able to use to supply their troops on?
3. Ukraine figured out how to keep Bahkmut and Avdiivka fronts supplied once the rail yards in those cities were in artillery range. Why is this any different? After all the one area where Ukraine has proven superior to Russia is in contingency planning.
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 8:46 am
Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:00 am to REG861
Anti semetic trope, same stuff had appeared in this thread a couple of times.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:17 am to WestCoastAg
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Wow. I was so close to bingo. Just missed something about the Clinton's or Obamas
As well as Soros, Schwaub, and the WEF.
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