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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:36 am to
Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
5069 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:36 am to
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Am I the only one who notices that a bunch of irrelevant stuff comes up just as Russia is getting embarrassed in this war?
No, I think it's been happening since the beginning. Whenever they get their shite pushed in, it comes out the assholes here, and elsewhere online, I assume.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 11:37 am
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8465 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 12:17 pm to
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Am I the only one who notices that a bunch of irrelevant stuff comes up just as Russia is getting embarrassed in this war?



So you think this thread is important enough for Russian disinfo personnel to want to change the subject in it?

That's some main-character syndrome if I've ever seen it.

Any remotely pro-Russian (or even just anti aid to Ukraine) post gets downvoted to oblivion even if its a good point. And posters who get labeled as pro-Russia get auto-downvoted regardless of the content of their posts.

There are like 2 posters who I could maybe see as part of some Russian bot farm, but there are like 10-12 posters that wouldn't surprise me as doing the same thing for Ukraine.

I don't think anyone actually is, FWIW.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 12:18 pm
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8465 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 12:19 pm to
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It all depends on what is being resold as to whether or not it is better to rebuild or buy brand new


Thats my point.

Generic slogans like "its cheaper for us to just send it over there!" isn't necessarily true. I'd like to see some proof, but even if we got it (we won't) it would be from our own DoD who can't pass an audit anyway.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4704 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 1:02 pm to
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Drunkle Medvedev is the mouthpiece for those threats.

It's been recently noted that very few Russians outside of Medvedev issue nuclear threats. Lavrov used to drop hints about 'irreversible consequences' but for the last six to eight months it's been solely Medvedev.

He does so almost weekly and it's more than just a tiring routine now. Some reports establish the belief that Medvedev is acting as a covert failsafe communication to the West - that as long as he makes his regular threat, the Kremlin is not preparing for any use of nuclear weapons.

The belief being that Russia is far more worried about an exchange breaking out and wishes to have a way of reducing the risk of miscommunication on this issue. Sort of like the coal mine canary, as long as Medvedev is singing, everything is ok.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8694 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 1:32 pm to
Italy sending a 2nd SAMP/T air defense system. Meanwhile S-400s are proving to be vastly compared to their cost.

LINK
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 2:06 pm to
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Some reports establish the belief that Medvedev is acting as a covert failsafe communication to the West - that as long as he makes his regular threat, the Kremlin is not preparing for any use of nuclear weapons.


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Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16249 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 2:51 pm to
You always seem to have zero clue. Have you ever done anything outside of your parents' home? Yes, I'm seriously asking that question.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16249 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 2:53 pm to
It's against the law since Feb 2022 to exhibit homosexuality in public so that Putain can claim that there are none in Russia, which is a lie.
Posted by AllDayEveryDay
The Sticks
Member since Jun 2015
9800 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 2:59 pm to
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Point being cheaper to send to Ukraine without being rebuilt to new standards for reuse by the US.


Then there's the added benefit of profit for the MIC!
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16249 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 3:05 pm to
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Then there's the added benefit of profit for the MIC!


Their profit margin is extremely low and since their records are filed with the SEC anyone can see them.. MIC running things is the biggest lie ever.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 3:06 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42810 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 3:29 pm to
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Their profit margin is extremely low and since their records are filed with the SEC anyone can see them.. MIC running things is the biggest lie ever.


Since Reagan’s terms US defense spending has declined from 6% of GDP to 3% of GDP. If the MIC is in control of defense spending the numbers don’t back it up.
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8131 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 3:30 pm to
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So you think this thread is important enough for Russian disinfo personnel to want to change the subject in it?

No, but Russian "fans" are certainly eager to start talking about unrelated subjects, at a higher clip (and in more personal terms) when the "push to Kharkiv" becomes a "tactical feint."

quote:

That's some main-character syndrome if I've ever seen it.

This isn't the only board/website that I read. It's not just here, and it's not just now.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8694 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 3:40 pm to
Apparently yet another S-400 was hit in Belgorod today by HIMARS. You’d think with all the talk about western weapons now allowed to be used across the border that they would at the very least pull them out of regular HIMARS range. That’s like shooting fish in a barrel. These are the Russians though, no one ever claimed them to be the smartest bunch.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8465 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 3:48 pm to
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Their profit margin is extremely low and since their records are filed with the SEC anyone can see them.. MIC running things is the biggest lie ever.


The profit margins are thin because they hire people at ridiculous salaries to up the cost of production. They can only legally profit X% off an item, but there isn't a ceiling on the price of most of these items. So you jack your salaries through the roof and you don't even need a ton of profit.

Have you seen what these companies hire engineers straight out of college for? How exactly do you think that works without them bringing in a lot of money?
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8465 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 3:49 pm to
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"push to Kharkiv" becomes a "tactical feint."


IDK about 'tactical feint', but I'd love to hear an honest argument from someone here who thinks they were legitimately trying to take the city. Literally no actual evidence points to that.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8465 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 3:50 pm to
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You always seem to have zero clue.


Well, at least I only seem to have zero clue. Its blatantly obvious that you don't have one.

You're best case misinformed or worst case outright dishonest at least once per day in here, you get called out and ignore it. Biggest fraud on this site.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61754 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 3:50 pm to
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because they hire people at ridiculous salaries to up the cost of production.


Meh. I used to work for a defense contractor and the pay was not all that great.
Compare whatever you think you know about MIC salaries to Oil and Gas or technology sector salaries and let’s compare
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8465 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 3:55 pm to
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ompare whatever you think you know about MIC salaries


Median pay for engineers of all experience levels in 2023 was $91k, entry level salary for an engineer at Lockheed Martin was $84k. Raytheon is somewhere between $79k-$89k depending on where you look.

And what are the executives paid?
Posted by bigjoe1
Member since Jan 2024
1966 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 4:08 pm to
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And what are the executives paid?


Executive pay in any industry is at a huge multiple to entry and mid level employees.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30758 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 4:11 pm to
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And what are the executives paid?


I thought tOT didn't care how much C-suite denizens were paid.


In the end, Procter & Gamble makes more money than the Big 5 defense contractors combined. Big Toothpaste putting in work.
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