re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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oh fricking jesus, look i been torn on this war since the beginning but if you still take russian and their "nuclear" threat seriously than you are either naive AF or dumb AF.

all you have to do is look at their budget and know what it cost to maintain these systems and you can immediately know they have very few and with the way this war has gone you can see they are a paper tiger.

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Drunkle Medvedev is the mouthpiece for those threats. Russia doesn't rechill the liquid hydrogen in some ballistic missiles. That is done at a central location. It also doesn't recycle its solid fueled missiles.

Just look at China and how it found that liquid hydrogen was replaced by water in the 5% of its missiles which use liquid hydrogen. Russian corruption is just as bad if not worse.

Claims by the pro-aid crowd:

Several of these are 100% accurate, just for clarity

-Russia is committing war crimes
-Russia is intentionally targeting civilians
-Russia regularly kills its own people for various reasons
-Putin is a madman
-Putin wants to conquer Europe
-Putin wont stop at Ukraine

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-Russia definitely won't use their nukes

Seems hard to group those into the same worldview.

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-Russia is committing war crimes -Russia is intentionally targeting civilians -Russia regularly kills its own people for various reasons -
Putin is a madman -
Putin wants to conquer Europe
-Putin wont stop at Ukraine

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-Russia definitely won't use their nukes

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Claims by the pro-aid crowd:

Several of these are 100% accurate, just for clarity

-Russia is committing war crimes
-Russia is intentionally targeting civilians
-Russia regularly kills its own people for various reasons
-Putin is a madman
-Putin wants to conquer Europe
-Putin wont stop at Ukraine

and then

-Russia definitely won't use their nukes

Seems hard to group those into the same worldview.

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no,

A) russia doesnt have the amount of working nukes you think they do, lucky if they have more than a dozen

B) they wont use nukes unless in danger of be conquered themselves as the response would be swift and mean the end of their country

and laughable yall dont think we could take out most of the missiles in flight, they know this.

if the were being attacked on mother russia turf, i do think they would use them.

i do not think they try and do shite in nato countries anymore since this has been such a struggle but i do think they feel like they have to see this through to save face and for putin to stay in power.

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A) russia doesnt have the amount of working nukes you think they do, lucky if they have more than a dozen

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Based on?

And Yeah we might even shoot all of those aimed at us down. But they will also hit countries that can't. It would be a catastrophic and world-altering event even if they only had this magic 12 number you seemingly invented.

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they wont use nukes unless in danger of be conquered themselves

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Which means there is a scenario where they use them.

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and laughable yall dont think we could take out most of the missiles in flight, they know this.

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Find where I said this. And like above, bragging about being able to take "most" of the a nuclear arsenal out in flight means at least some of them hit something, somewhere.

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i do not think they try and do shite in nato countries anymore since this has been such a struggle but i do think they feel like they have to see this through to save face and for putin to stay in power.

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So by your own admission Putin personally sees this as an existential issue. Ukraine is not and never will be existential to the United States.

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Do you understand demographics at all? This isn't a border war in Africa were talking about.

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explain why i should give a frick about demographics in russia or ukraine?

i mean you still think most of russia is christian and are have fricking retarded so dont think you should be calling anyone out.

Russian legal foundation working in EU is actually 'Kremlin influence operation,' Guardian says

by Nate Ostiller June 3, 2024 4:42 PM

Leaked documents from the Russian Fund for Support and Protection of the Rights of Compatriots Living Abroad (Pravfond) show that the purported legal foundation is actually a Kremlin-linked disinformation outlet, the Guardian and other media outlets reported on June 2.

Pravfond describes its goal as providing "Russian compatriots with comprehensive legal and other necessary support in cases of violation of their rights, freedoms, and legitimate interests."

The foundation was created in 2012 with the support of Russia's Foreign Ministry.

According to the leaked documents, Pravfond helped pay legal fees for convicted Russian arms smuggler Viktor Bout and assassin Vadim Krasikov, who is currently serving a prison sentence in Germany for the murder of a Georgian-Chechen dissident in 2019.

Pravfond also reportedly employs several former Russian intelligence operatives and has spent millions of dollars on disinformation campaigns in almost 50 countries in Europe and the rest of the world.

Estonia's security service characterized Pravfond in 2020 as a "pseudo legal protection system" that "in reality is an influence operations fund."

Ukraine working to expand area of use of partners' weapons inside Russia - Kuleba

He explained that Ukraine's partners had made a "very important and long-awaited step in the right direction" by lifting the ban on the use of weapons provided by them to strike military targets inside Russia.

"It has its own rules that must be followed. In short, we appreciate the decision and we will continue to work with our partners to expand the area of use. Why did they impose these restrictions? My answer: I don't know. But this is a big decision and we should respect and welcome it," Kuleba said.

He said that during the last two years, "small decisions are made at first, but then they develop into bigger decisions" and added that Ukraine would work on this.

Ukrinform

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is destroying over 50% of Russia's conventional force...not a good ROI on that budget, especially when its being done without any American forces and no new weapon systems?


If Russia won't nuke us, and by your views wouldn't hit us even if they pushed the button (which could be correct), and they aren't currently threatening the United States............... why do we care about destroying 50% of their forces?

They would get absolutely stomped into a mudhole by NATO, so if they won't ever use nukes they won't attack NATO directly.

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may all be true but would still cost us soldiers

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Is investing potentially trillions of dollars (collectively by the west) trying to neuter a dog that only has 1 nut to begin with really worth it? IDK, man.

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which is why i said old equipment. cheaper to give them the equipment than even store or destroy it

as far as what the rest of nato does, dont really give a shite but i will say it has opened Natos eyes as far as getting them to invest in military again

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which is why i said old equipment. cheaper to give them the equipment than even store or destroy it

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That may be true for some things, but some of the "old" equipment is being replaced by "new" stuff that is at best a marginal improvement at a much higher cost.