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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/15/24 at 11:36 am to
Posted by WeeWee
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 11:36 am to
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Is all of Ukraine in missle or bomb range of Russi,a or are there area that are safe from that type stuff? I kinda feel like a weapons facility would be a top priority for them.


All of Ukraine is in range of some kind of Russian missile since Russia can launch from Belarus and the Black Sea. Rheinmentall’s CEO says it could protect its factories from UAV, planes, and cruise missiles with its own products like sky shield, ADAT, Skyranger, and the Wiesel. It would have to rely on the Patriot missiles to protect it from ballistic missiles though.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 11:41 am to
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Greece starting to step up their support. They are sending 70 M114A1 towed 155 mm howitzers, 2,000 Zuni rockets, 180 2.75” anti-tank rockets 90,000 90mm anti-tank rounds and 4 million rounds of small arms ammo.


I'm sure you know this, but to provide context...

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As the Republican Party’s blockade of aid to Ukraine drags into its fourth month, the U.S. government under Pres. Joe Biden has found a clever new way to give Ukraine’s forces the weapons and ammunition they need to defend their country.

It is, in essence, an American version of Germany’s circular weapons trade—the so-called Ringtausch. The United States is gifting older surplus weapons to Greece with the understanding that Greece donates to Ukraine some of its own surplus weapons.


Forbes
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 11:41 am to
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Greece starting to step up their support. They are sending 70 M114A1 towed 155 mm howitzers, 2,000 Zuni rockets, 180 2.75” anti-tank rockets 90,000 90mm anti-tank rounds and 4 million rounds of small arms ammo.


Greece also has 500 Leopard1A5s. It could send to Ukraine. Russia is going to regret trying to kill Zelensky while he was with the Greek PM. Not only did it piss off Greece but it appears to have lit a fire under several other European leaders.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 11:43 am to


Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 11:58 am to
Now do civilian casualties.
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 12:10 pm to
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Russia is going to regret trying to kill Zelensky while he was with the Greek PM.


Even you don't believe this
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38226 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 12:13 pm to
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quote:The holdomor is post war mythology I'm beginning to think that you are a Russian bot.


No just some loser who did study abroad in Russia and thinks he’s Russian. You know that weird kid in high school who always wore some old german army coat and talked about guns a lot? Pretty much that.

I do appreciate his input however. It is a transparent look at pure, undiluted Russian revisionist propaganda straight out of the Cold War, where the USSR surpasses us in every economic, demographic, sociological etc metric. I mean this guy really believes Russia is a stronger economy, healthier populace, stronger military, etc. it’s truly fascinating perspective. It’s bordering on the North Korean “Kim invented the hamburger” type of trope.
This post was edited on 3/15/24 at 12:22 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 12:40 pm to
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 3/15/24 at 1:13 pm to
Those kind of charts are somewhere between useless and misleading if they are not expressed as a per capita ratio.


Delhi audience laughs as Russian foreign minister says Ukraine war 'was launched against us'

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/co5Vb2Og0po

Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45706 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 1:14 pm to
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Russia is going to regret trying to kill Zelensky while he was with the Greek PM. Even you don't believe this


It’s just a coincidence that a missile hits near the two leaders when they are giving a press conference and touring Odessa?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42751 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 1:15 pm to
How many of those deaths were prior to Germany attacking Russian forces in Poland on June 22,1941?

You know the troops killed when Russia invaded Poland, Finland, the Baltic States and Romania in 1939, and 1940.
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8131 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 1:32 pm to
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In other words culmination is near. A few more weeks and Russia will have punched itself out


That's the Russian offensive culminating while Ukraine is starved for 155mm shells.

Imagine how bad it would get if Ukraine was fully stocked on artillery ... the biggest thing the US was supposed to provide with their assistance package back in 2023.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 1:39 pm to
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Russia is going to regret trying to kill Zelensky while he was with the Greek PM


Nah

Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8657 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 1:46 pm to
Greece has lots of military equipment. On top of the 500 Leo 1s they have around they also have about 400 Leopard 2A6 and 2A4s. But they could easily send 100 Leopard 1s and let Ukraine out ERA bricks on it for protection and use them not as tanks but as direct infantry fire support. They also have thousands of M113s amd M127s that they could send. Hell i’ve wondered why we haven’t tried dealing with countries that still have M60 Patton tanks and do the same they should do with the Leopard 1s. With Russia relying more and more on old T-62 and T-55 tanks there old western tanks could have a useful role. Plus if you lose them in combat it’s no big deal because they were retired anyway.
This post was edited on 3/15/24 at 1:47 pm
Posted by Buckeye Backer
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
9503 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 1:56 pm to
The question is this...where is the man power coming from? Seriously, we can give them all the equipment in the world...but who's operating it?

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42751 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 2:18 pm to
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The question is this...where is the man power coming from? Seriously, we can give them all the equipment in the world...but who's operating it?


No doubt thousands of Ukrainians have died defending their country from the Russians, but there are no real numbers of casualties that you can believe.

But it appears enough are alive to harass Russia and to prevent Russia from rapidly advancing westward from Advarik, or rapidly towards Kherson City or Kharkiv.

Posted by Buckeye Backer
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
9503 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 2:58 pm to
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No doubt thousands of Ukrainians have died defending their country from the Russians, but there are no real numbers of casualties that you can believe.

But it appears enough are alive to harass Russia and to prevent Russia from rapidly advancing westward from Advarik, or rapidly towards Kherson City or Kharkiv.


I'm not really talking about the casualty numbers up to now...i'm talking about how many men it's going to take to operate all this new equipment we are giving them in the future? Where is UKR finding the manpower? We already know and have seen video evidence of drastic measures being taken, of men being forced into service and sent to the front lines. IMO, i think this is why the world should take Macron's words about sending in Western troops very seriously. I just simply cannot see UKR coming up with the necessary numbers of manpower its going to take to operate all this equipment. Something doesn't add up...

Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45706 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 2:58 pm to
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Greece has lots of military equipment. On top of the 500 Leo 1s they have around they also have about 400 Leopard 2A6 and 2A4s. But they could easily send 100 Leopard 1s and let Ukraine out ERA bricks on it for protection and use them not as tanks but as direct infantry fire support. They also have thousands of M113s amd M127s that they could send. Hell i’ve wondered why we haven’t tried dealing with countries that still have M60 Patton tanks and do the same they should do with the Leopard 1s.


I have wondered why we have not done so as well. The M60 did well against Soviet tanks in Desert Storm (at least according to the history channel maybe Darth or someone else who was there can provide some more information). Greece has not donated that much equipment because they don’t want to weaken their armed forces due to their feud with Turkey.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45706 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 3:07 pm to
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i'm talking about how many men it's going to take to operate all this new equipment we are giving them in the future? Where is UKR finding the manpower?


Be patient and the answers you seek will come to you.

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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky announced a plan to draft from 400,000 to 500,000 troops in January. A bill to put the plan into action is set to be voted on by Ukraine's parliament on March 31.


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In comments to Financial Times on Wednesday, Ukraine's Ministry of Defense said that a recent hiring campaign for jobs covering "a limited range of military specialisms" had been very successful, drawing over 90,000 applications for around 8,000 jobs.
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Ukraine is in the process of expanding its draft process to 400,000-500,000 troops. The draft bill is expected to pass since Zelensky’s Servant of the People party has a large majority in the Rada. It has also hired 8,000 contractors mainly to work on western equipment because the Ukrainians need more training on maintaining the western equipment.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21027 posts
Posted on 3/15/24 at 3:09 pm to
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Greece has not donated that much equipment because they don’t want to weaken their armed forces due to their feud with Turkey.


Yeah, but now they are getting F-35s and Turkey is not.
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