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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:13 pm to
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:13 pm to
If Putin has said that ( I haven’t seen it) it would because he perceives such a remark helps Trump.
This is not complicated…
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30662 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:22 pm to
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I would ask all of you watch Col Douglas MacGregor on anything related Ukraine and Russia...


LOL

We know Macgregor well around here. He is the biggest joke of a pundit with regard to the Russo-Ukrainian war.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:30 pm to
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If Putin has said that ( I haven’t seen it) it would because he perceives such a remark helps Trump.
This is not complicated…


Or he wants to see a demented old man who is weak continue to destroy this nation.
This is not comp!icated.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:44 pm to
The Russians have said it doesn’t matter who the president is, because from their perspective, American foreign policy stays the same. I think that’s mostly true, there’s broad continuity going back to Clinton, and look at how the bureaucracy rebelled against Trump when he tried to buck them.

I assume the Russians would prefer Trump though, because Biden’s weakness has resulted in so much chaos. And if they want anything, it’s stability.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13094 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 7:56 pm to
You don’t do complicated very well.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
20243 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:07 pm to
Well as much as you all hate Putin, certainly this means you will now be voting for Trump, certainly not Putins BFF Biden...right?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45712 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 8:46 pm to
Has anyone mentioned or discussed Ukraine requesting rockets from Canada?

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Ukraine is urging Canada to hand over tens of thousands of decommissioned rockets that are set to be destroyed as the war with Russia nears its two-year mark. Canada is planning to soon destroy over 83,000 CRV7 ("Canadian Rocket Vehicle 7") units that were taken out of service in 2005, while the Ukrainian military desperately seeks more weapons and supplies due in part to a once-steady flow of international military aid slowing considerably this year.

Ukrainian Lieutenant General Kyrylo Budanov, head of Kyiv's military intelligence agency, said in an interview published by Canadian network Global News on Monday that giving the rockets to Ukraine instead of destroying them would be "a win-win situation" for both nations.

Some Canadian officials have reportedly expressed reservations about fulfilling the request over concerns that the rockets may have become unstable in the years since being decommissioned, potentially making transporting the weapons and using them an especially risky proposition.

"We have no concerns," Budanov told Global News. "We need a lot of equipment, both ammunition, munitions in general, artillery munitions—lots of types of equipment."

Budanov went on to say that Ukraine believes that approximately 8,000 of the rockets are in good condition, while all of the weapons would likely be stripped down to their components and used for drones.

Newsweek reached out for comment to the Canadian Defense Ministry via online press contact form on Monday night.

Canada's Conservative Party issued a statement criticizing the government of Liberal Prime Minister Justin Trudeau over the issue, arguing that donating the rockets would be "common sense."
LINK

Sending those rockets to Ukraine would make a significant contribution and would be a common sense move. Unfortunately, Trudeau lacks common sense.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16114 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:26 pm to
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Has anyone mentioned or discussed Ukraine requesting rockets from Canada?


Cheaper to ship than to destroy. Case closed
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:47 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian forces successfully sank another Russian Black Sea Fleet (BSF) landing ship in the Black Sea off the southern coast of occupied Crimea on the night of February 13 to 14.

Ukraine reportedly continues efforts to offset Russian advantages in manpower and materiel by using more advanced systems and equipment, although continued delays in Western security assistance will undermine these efforts.

Russia is similarly pursuing battlefield advantages through technological innovation despite its focus on generating manpower and materiel in greater mass than Ukraine.

Russian authorities may be generating enough new forces to sustain losses generated by the current tempo of their offensive operations in Ukraine through 2025.

The Estonian Foreign Intelligence Service (VLA) stated that the Russian military’s ongoing restructuring and expansion effort aims to intensify Russian military posturing against Finland and the wider NATO alliance.

The Kremlin is conducting information operations against Moldova very similar to those that the Kremlin used before its invasions of Ukraine in 2014 and 2022, likely to set conditions to justify possible future Russian escalation against Moldova.

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenburg stated on February 14 that NATO does not see any immediate threat of military attacks on a NATO member but noted that there is a “constant risk” of hybrid attacks.

Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitri Peskov denied recent Western reports that Russia recently proposed freezing the conflict in Ukraine.

Russia reportedly is developing a space-based anti-satellite weapon.

Russian forces recently made confirmed advances near Bakhmut, Marinka, and Krynky amid continued positional fighting along the entire line of contact on February 14.

Russia continues efforts to expand its defense industrial base (DIB).

Russian authorities continue efforts to militarize and culturally indoctrinate youth and students in occupied Ukraine into Russian identity and ideology.


Posted by LSU7096
Member since May 2004
3023 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 9:49 pm to
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But the problem is that Trump told GOP congressmen that he wants the border to stay a campaign issue. Trump wants the border to stay a mess so that he can continue to attack Biden about it.

So nothing is going to get done on the border until the election.


Border protection for us in NM and TX before helping Ukraine.

Time to Aid Ukraine was 2014 but the Obama administration did nothing. The let Russia prepare war reserves of cash and supplies over 8 years. Great leaders in our government!
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21029 posts
Posted on 2/14/24 at 10:02 pm to
Border protection has nothing to do with Ukraine.

Why aren't y'all yelling "No money for highways until the border is fixed first!"

Why Ukraine? It's because it's a stupid manipulative ploy by Putin's minions.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5729 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 4:42 am to
Ukraine's 3rd Assault Brigade confirms redeployment to Avdiivka, says situation 'extremely critical'

by Dinara Khalilova and The Kyiv Independent news desk February 15, 2024 11:13 AM

Ukraine's Third Assault Brigade confirmed on Feb. 15 that it was "urgently" redeployed to Avdiivka in Donetsk Oblast, adding that the situation in the area is "extremely critical."

Avdiivka, lying only kilometers away from Russian-occupied Donetsk, has faced intensified Russian attacks since October 2023 as Moscow's troops aim to encircle and capture the city.

Earlier reports suggested that Ukraine was sending one of its largest and best-equipped brigades, the Third Assault Brigade, to reinforce troops exhausted by months of intense fighting as Russia comes closer to surrounding Avdiivka.

The Kyiv Independent
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5729 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 7:22 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 15 February 2024

On 14 February 2024, Ukrainian forces conducted a successful uncrewed surface vessel attack on the Russian Ropucha-class landing craft Tsezar Kunikov, which almost certainly resulted in the sinking of the vessel. Three of ten Ropucha-class vessels have now been destroyed by Ukrainian strikes.

The vessel is heavily relied on to provide logistical support to the Black Sea Fleet (BSF) and the Russian war in Ukraine. The loss of the vessel will almost certainly further constrain the limited Russian resources available in the Black Sea and leave the Black Sea Fleet logistical chain vulnerable to additional attacks. It also further reduces the redundancy available to support logistical movements between mainland Russia to the Crimean peninsula when the Kerch bridge is closed.

Ukraine's ingenuity has highly likely deterred Russia from operating freely in the western Black Sea and enabled Ukraine to seize the maritime momentum from Russia.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45712 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 7:23 am to
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Ukraine has called up over a million men sent them through training and then sent them home because they didn’t need them yet.


This article from the pro-Ukraine NYT is odd, then.

LINK


The fake news NYT is too pro-Ukrainian. It is trying to make Ukraine look weaker than it is to force the aid package through the House to help Biden get a "foreign policy win." If you want an accurate picture look at wikipedia the Armed Forces of Ukraine have 1,000,000+ active and 2,100,000 reserve personnel. The problem Ukraine is running into is not that it does not have enough bodies to fight. The problem is that it does not have enough trained bodies to fight effectively. Ukraine has run into this problem because Zaluzhnyi called reserves trained them and then demobilized them sometimes before they finished training. Zaluzhnyi wanted to keep a standing reserve of 500,000 troops at all times. Zelensky says Ukraine cannot afford to pay for 500,000 troops to be sitting around. Plus Ukraine does not have the capacity to train all 500,000 troops as quickly as Zaluzhnyi wants which is why their reserves were demobilized in the first place. Ukraine is trying to avoid sending hundreds of thousands of barely trained soldiers like Russia is doing unless it is forced to. Ukraine was forced to do that last year in Bakhmut and the units made up of reservist suffered much higher casualty rate than the units that were mostly made up of veterans. Zaluzhnyi wanted to call up 500,000 troops so Ukraine could reinforce the entire front even if that meant reinforcing the line with barely trained troops which like I said Zelensky is trying to avoid doing unless it absolutely has to.
This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 7:41 am
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73980 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 7:30 am to
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But the problem is that Trump told GOP congressmen that he wants the border to stay a campaign issue. Trump wants the border to stay a mess so that he can continue to attack Biden about it.

So nothing is going to get done on the border until the election.


Come on. You’re smarter than this. You know damn well the problem at the border doesn’t require anything from Congress to solve. The problem could be solved today by Biden if he only enforced the laws already on the books. He has all the authority and resources needed to secure the border. He just chooses to leave it wide open.


Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45712 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 7:33 am to
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The Russians allegedly issued a surrender ultimatum to the Ukrainian forces there.


and the Ukrainians responded with Idi na khuy.

quote:

The MSR has been cut for a couple of days, and I think it was two day ago where nothing made it in or out.


Ukraine proved in 2022 when it flew supplies into Mariupol to keep the Azov brigade supplied for months and again in the spring of 2023 when it kept the soldiers in Bahkmut supplied using dirt roads even during the mud season. There are still dirt and gravel roads available for Ukraine to use to supply Avdiivka. Nothing was made of the road being cut because unlike the Russian military the Ukrainian military has proved on multiple occasions that it does not need a paved highway to stay in the fight.


BTW do you still believe that the reason there is blue and yellow flag flying over Odessa is because Russia has not decided it wants to take Odessa yet?
This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 7:47 am
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45712 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 7:35 am to
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I assume the Russians would prefer Trump though, because Biden’s weakness has resulted in so much chaos. And if they want anything, it’s stability.



quote:

A Joe Biden presidency would be better for Russia than a Donald Trump one, Russian President Vladimir Putin told pro-Kremlin journalist Pavel Zarubin in an on-camera interview Wednesday.
LINK

How many things do you have to be proven wrong on before you realize that your thoughts are incorrect?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45712 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 7:39 am to
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Border protection has nothing to do with Ukraine.

Why aren't y'all yelling "No money for highways until the border is fixed first!"

Why Ukraine? It's because it's a stupid manipulative ploy by Putin's minions.



Wrong. People including myself who is the biggest Ukrainian supporter her are saying no money for Ukraine until the border is secure because Ukraine is the one issue that republicans can use as leverage to get something done. By something I mean actually securing the border and not bending over and taking it up the arse like Langford's deal would have had republicans do.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14897 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:08 am to
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Wrong. People including myself who is the biggest Ukrainian supporter her are saying no money for Ukraine until the border is secure because Ukraine is the one issue that republicans can use as leverage to get something done. By something I mean actually securing the border and not bending over and taking it up the arse like Langford's deal would have had republicans do.



this

supporting Ukraine over Russia doens not mean you want biden presidency, a crappy economy or a porous border

this is TDS in reverse ..anything a Biden led US does has to be hated because Biden is president.....

i do not think we should be sending pallets of cash, but we do need to seen our old equipment and the weapons needed to stop russia and actually win (not a slow trickle to achieve a stalemate)

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42751 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:12 am to
The border is needs to stand on its own. If the Republicans can’t demonstrate to the voting public that it is a public welfare issue that our borders are secure.

Look around at the drugs, the criminals, the homeless, and the overall decay of our public institutions largely because they are getting overwhelmed. People across tge nation can see this.

I am pro Ukraine too, but there are legitimate arguments about Ukraine. Discussing America’s involvement in foreign affairs began under George Washington.

Border security is a way bigger issue and it should be by itself.
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