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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 11/18/23 at 3:49 pm to
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 3:49 pm to
It’s surreal. I’ve studied military technology, strategy, and history for the better part of four decades. And if you’d have told me before this war started we’d have a WWI style stalemated war in Europe today, I’d have thought you’d lost your mind.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 4:07 pm to
When the war started I’d falsely assumed that we would see Russia’s version of shock abd awe followed by hundreds of Russian tanks and thousands of Russian storm troopers rolling across the Donbas west deep across Ukraine and the war would be over in relative short order,

That’s how little I know.
Posted by RuLSU
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 4:07 pm to
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And if you’d have told me before this war started we’d have a WWI style stalemated war in Europe today, I’d have thought you’d lost your mind.

Absolutely agree on this point.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 4:16 pm to
LOL. Girkin has announced from prison that he intends to run for president against Putin.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 4:30 pm to
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They stopped a land bridge to Crimea. That is not something Putin or his underlings would have made a deal for


Moscow didn’t want the war. They wanted a neutral Ukraine, which meant keeping Ukraine intact.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 4:30 pm to
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When the war started I’d falsely assumed that we would see Russia’s version of shock abd awe followed by hundreds of Russian tanks and thousands of Russian storm troopers rolling across the Donbas west deep across Ukraine and the war would be over in relative short order,

That’s how little I know.


Same, which makes me question did they want this to be a war of attrition from the start or did I vastly overestimate their military capabilites or were they just not THAT comitted
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 5:02 pm to
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Moscow didn’t want the war. They wanted a neutral Ukraine, which meant keeping Ukraine intact.


Yet it started a war. Go figure
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 5:11 pm to
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Same, which makes me question did they want this to be a war of attrition from the start or did I vastly overestimate their military capabilites or were they just not THAT comitted


That’s a lot to chew on.

There’s been so much BS between then and now, it’s hard to tell.

In my opinion they tried a lightning strike over several theaters before Ukraine had been weakened. The Kiev theater was a disaster for them and that defeat encouraged Ukraine and invited the West to come in big with aid.

Then they were out maneuvered and were thrown back in Kharkiv and Kherson. Since then they have been on defense with some exceptions. Nothing like their initial thrusts.
Posted by mattfromnj
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Member since Mar 2020
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 5:21 pm to
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It’s surreal. I’ve studied military technology, strategy, and history for the better part of four decades. And if you’d have told me before this war started we’d have a WWI style stalemated war in Europe today, I’d have thought you’d lost your mind.


Do you agree with the Ukrainian general who was interviewed in the WSJ and elsewhere and says that the technology available today has given defenders an advantage? He seemed to be saying that once the front lines are established its almost impossible to move them.

One of the interesting WW1 similarities is how for both Ukraine and Russia their respective air forces have basically just cancelled each other out. No one really has genuine air superiority, hence the reliance on artillery (and drones, which it turns out are an artillery observers dream).
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 6:47 pm to
Isw update

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Key Takeaways:

Russian forces conducted a series of drone strikes against Ukraine on the night of November 17 to 18.

A Kyrgyzstan government official called on the Russian government to help Kyrgyz migrants in Russia against the backdrop of recent proposals from Russian government officials to decrease migrant work opportunities in Russia.

Courts in the Republic of Dagestan reportedly continue to charge participants of the October 29 antisemitic riots with minor administrative crimes, while select Russian ultranationalists call for increased government control in order to curb the alleged spread of Islamic extremism in Dagestan.

The Russian government continues efforts to restrict citizens’ access to the internet and to strengthen its control over the Russian information space.

The European Commission will reportedly include sanctions on the sale of petroleum tankers to Russia in an upcoming sanctions package in an effort to curb Russian schemes to skirt the G7 price cap on Russian crude oil and petroleum products.

Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, near Avdiivka, west and southwest of Donetsk City, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast and advanced near Avdiivka and Donetsk City.

Russia has reportedly frozen prisoner of war (POW) exchanges with Ukraine since the summer of 2023.


Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 6:53 pm to
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Also according to my friends in Russia, Putin’s recent announcement of plans for mobilization of its economy went over like a wet fart in church Can you link something on this? All I'm seeing is the mobilization from last year and articles speculating about another mobilization


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Patrushev - formerly head of the FSB security service - demanded more action from border regions to protect Russia against drone attacks from Ukraine. Regional governors must ensure that mobilisation plans for the economy of the Russian regions and municipalities are developed”. This is seen as a strong hint that a new wave of mobilisation is coming. "I ask the heads of regions and federal executive authorities to personally control the implementation of these tasks,” he said.“Specific attention should be paid to the safety of bio-hazardous facilities.”
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My apologies. It was Patrushev not Putin that said it, but since Patrushev is Putin’s new arse whiper in chief it’s Putin’s idea. Apparently the Kremlin is pushing rumors that Ukraine will start using drones use bio weapons to attack Russia. Per my friend(s) the average Russians citizen is scared these calls for the regional governors to take plans for mobilization of the economy means more government control. In the industries the government has already taken over all the workers are supposed to be getting record wages but in reality are only getting paid for a one week a month.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 6:53 pm to
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Moscow didn’t want the war. They wanted a neutral Ukraine, which meant keeping Ukraine intact.


They didn't want the war they started? Sure sure sure.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 7:47 pm to
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Ukraine and Russia their respective air forces have basically just cancelled each other out.


The Russian Aerospace forces didn’t have a cheap guided munition when the war started. That and the Soviet air defense systems were the biggest problems. They’re mass producing jdam analogs now, and that’s allows them to carry out 100s of strike missions every month now, that wasn’t possible before.

The extended range Lancets are also proving useful, and they have some level of autonomous terminal guidance now, which limits the Ukrainians ability to disable them with EW.
This post was edited on 11/18/23 at 10:56 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 11/18/23 at 8:11 pm to
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that’s allows them to carry out 100s of strike missions every month.


For now. When Ukraine gets F-16s, those bombs will have to be launched from further away.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5645 posts
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:21 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 19 November 2023

Russia is likely considering bringing the Soviet-era M-55 MYSTIC B high altitude reconnaissance aircraft back into service. With an operating ceiling of over 70,000 feet, the aircraft has been recently employed as an earth-sciences research platform. However, it has been observed carrying a military reconnaissance pod, developed for employment on Russian fighter aircraft.

A critical flaw in Russian procurement strategy has been its failure to establish an adequate Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Acquisition and Reconnaissance (ISTAR) capability. This is critical for the timely and accurate prosecution of targets by air, sea, and ground forces.

There is a realistic possibility that the M-55 will return to frontline service to bolster Russia's limited ISTAR capabilities over Ukraine. Operating at high altitudes enables the sensors to work at considerable stand-off range. It is almost certain that the aircraft will conduct missions against Ukraine from the relative safety of Russian airspace.
Posted by No Colors
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Posted on 11/19/23 at 4:09 am to
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They wanted a neutral Ukraine, which meant keeping Ukraine intact.



You misspelled puppet
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:38 am to
A neutral Ukraine, exactly like neutral Belarus.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:44 am to
Is this still going on?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:48 am to
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Moscow didn’t want the war.


Then why did Russia start it?

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They wanted a neutral Ukraine,


Well that backfired on them. When I first went to Ukraine in 2012 Ukrainians saw Russians much like Canadians see Americans. A common people with a lot of similarities but just enough differences not to be one people. Now Ukrainian people hate Russia more than Palestinians hate Israel. Ukraine is now determined to join NATO and will be a thorn in Russia’s side for at least a century. Oh yeah, Russia lost its neutral northern border when Finland and Sweden joined NATO. So much for the buffer zone.
Posted by blueboxer1119
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Member since May 2013
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Posted on 11/19/23 at 7:15 am to
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Do you believe that if we didn’t give Ukraine aid that any of that money would be used to lock down our border?


I believe had we not given billions to Ukraine, we’d be that much less in debt. Which is a fact.

We don’t have to spend the money dude.

You pretend that the money must be spent, which is obviously not true. We aren’t rich enough to cover wartime expenses for half the countries on the planet.

That’s not something the American taxpayer should fund.
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