re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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I believe had we not given billions to Ukraine, we’d be that much less in debt. Which is a fact.

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More like spending a few bucks on concessions at a football game. The vast majority of money "spent" was in the form of old arse retired weapons, grossly over valued for accounting procedures. I sure wish I could sell a 25 year old utilitarian car for even half its new value in today's dollars.

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The vast majority of money "spent" was in the form of old arse retired weapons, grossly over valued for accounting procedures. I sure wish I could sell a 25 year old utilitarian car for even half its new value in today's dollars.

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Should have done a lot more of this a lot sooner.

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The Russian Aerospace forces didn’t have a cheap guided munition when the war started. That and the Soviet air defense systems were the biggest problems. They’re mass producing jdam analogs now, and that’s allows them to carry out 100s of strike missions every month now, that wasn’t possible before.

The extended range Lancets are also proving useful, and they have some level of autonomous terminal guidance now, which limits the Ukrainians ability to disable them with EW.

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For all the often deserved criticism they've gotten from this war the Russians have definitely shown they're quick to adapt and also that their own version of the MIC is an absolute powerhouse of manufacturing. I read an English language El Pais article recently that detailed the struggles the Ukr army has with munitions. Their cannons have been used so much they're much less accurate because of wear and tear but we can't replace them, and one artillery officer said for every 100 shells Russia fires they can only respond with 15. A mortar team commander said something similar in terms of their numbers. I can't remember where I read it but I saw something that said Russia is manufacturing more shells per month than the west can in a year.

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I can respect your argument if you were even more vociferous when Trump and Biden decided to spend TRILLIONS and raise our debt to record levels. We don’t have to spend the money, but we did promise to support Ukraine if they gave up their nukes. I believe when the US makes promises they should live up to them whether it be social security, Medicare, or keeping promises made to allies or friends.

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How bout the promises made to the American taxpayer? Like safe roads, quality public education, etc.

Seems we should spend our money on foreign wars to keep “promises” to foreign countries and ignore the tax paying citizens? Come on.

As far as Trump and the debt, it’s convenient this talking point never mentions the global pandemic. That may have had something to do with it huh? Or are we going to continue to act disingenuous and ignore this enormous factor?

Only a true brainwashed Russian would believe that Russia didn’t want a war that they and they alone started. I mean they have their population trained like we would train our dogs. Russians truly are an inferior people. They are either brainwashed, drunks, drug heads or all of the above. The smart young Russians got the frick out while the getting was good.

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How bout the promises made to the American taxpayer?

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Unfortunately the people in charge now promised the American people they would control the climate, provide abortion on demand, be more tolerant and let everybody in our country. They promised them more free stuff, electric cars, and Hugh speed trains.

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Seems we should spend our money on foreign wars to keep “promises” to foreign countries and ignore the tax paying citizens? Come on.

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We should keep our promises. Biden promised more and more. He and his brothers believe they are keeping their promises. Conservatives like ourselves don’t like it, but we are getting out voted.

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As far as Trump and the debt, it’s convenient this talking point never mentions the global pandemic. That may have had something to do with it huh? Or are we going to continue to act disingenuous and ignore this enormous

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Trump was not a fiscal conservative. And yes the way he and the government responded to the pandemic caused a lot of our issues. Hindsight is 20/20. Trump couldn’t see the future.

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Pretty basic logic retard, but retard on.

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No, idiot, because that isn't the way sovereign debt works. You should learn about that before you start scribbling your nonsense.

Almost all of the money that we have actually spent has been on American-made weapons produced in American factories with American workers.

Some of it has been on new weapons systems that have been sent to Ukraine. One example of this might be the Phoenix and Switchblade drone systems that we have sent. The feedback that we get from Ukraine on the success and shortcomings of these systems is crucial for the development of the next generation of drone systems that will characterize war in the future.

But the vast majority of the money that we have spent has been to send Ukraine old weapons and replace them with more modern ones. Old ATACMS that we already past their expiration date, old M113s that we were scrapping, old HAWK systems that were in long-term storage and would never have been used again, etc.

The money that we are spending on new systems has helped us rebuild our defense industrial base and better prepare for a future war. The extra money for PrSM, for example, is enabling accelerated production of the replacement for ATACMS -- in a couple of months, the Army will have a missile system that no military in the world can shoot down.

The fact that so many of our allies are also buying weapons has been huge for our manufacturers and is also generating cost savings. The AUKUS deal, for example, is key to long-term deterrence in the Pacific. The DoD has been able to invest in new technologies because of things like the price of GMLRS missiles for HIMARS coming down because so many of our allies are buying them.

In summary, almost all of the money spent on "military aid to Ukraine" is actually about building the US military to face conflicts in the future. If you oppose that aid, you're really just saying that you're fine with China supplanting the US as the world's preeminent global power. You want a weak America.

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Try using your brain. This is kindergarten level logic.

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You dumb mother fricker, how do you think sovereign debt is paid down? Explain it to me.

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You want a weak America.

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They're FSB troll farm bots. Of course they want a weak America