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Posted on 10/15/23 at 4:28 pm to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 10/15/23 at 4:28 pm to
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Certainly, you would agree that 113B should get a better ROI than less than 1%, correct?


Sure but the 54% the 113B has helped reclaim is different calculus. Wouldn't you agree?
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 4:42 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 10/15/23 at 4:37 pm to
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Sure but the 54% the 113B has helped reclaim is a how different calculus. Wouldn't you agree?


Don't bother he'll just move the goalposts again. Now percentages don't matter anymore
Posted by Errerrerrwere
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Posted on 10/15/23 at 5:32 pm to
54% of the counter offensive?
Posted by lostinbr
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Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 10/15/23 at 5:45 pm to
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54% of the counter offensive?

I genuinely don’t know if you’re just playing stupid or if you haven’t figured this out yet, but the $113B you keep referencing isn’t since the start of this counteroffensive. It’s since February 2022. Which is why people are talking about land reclaimed since the invasion began.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/15/23 at 6:36 pm to
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I genuinely don’t know if you’re just playing stupid


I doubt any playing involved.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:08 pm to
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54% of the counter offensive?


Yes.

Keep in mind the Ukrainian operations since March of 2022 have all been a counter-offensive.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:36 pm to
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Yes.

Keep in mind the Ukrainian operations since March of 2022 have all been a counter-offensive.


We've been discussing this the last few pages where I linked the Ukrainian politician admitting it's less than 1%.

And that's due to the lack of world funding coming in.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 10/15/23 at 8:01 pm to
It’s a shame what this thread has become now.

Intel on the war has been largely crowded out by Intel on the Israel/Hamas war. Come here and Intel is crowded out by arguing with ratards.

Thanks for Stormy for consistently posting the ISW updates at least.

ETA and similarly Cypher’s consistent posting of pertinent info.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 8:03 pm
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 10/15/23 at 8:03 pm to
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It’s a shame what this thread has become now.


Don't blame me, buddy. Blame the US Government for another failed proxy war. It's not like we haven't been in one every day for the last 50-60 years.

Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 10/15/23 at 8:13 pm to
ISW Update

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Russian President Vladimir Putin may be trying to temper expectations of significant Russian advances around Avdiivka in Donetsk Oblast. Putin claimed in an interview on Russian state television on October 15 that Russian forces are conducting an “active defense” in the Avdiivka, Kupyansk, and Zaporizhia directions.[1] Putin’s characterization of Russian offensive operations near Avdiivka as an “active defense,” instead of “active combat operations” as Russian UN Ambassador Vasily Nebenzya claimed on October 13, or discussing Russian operations as an “offensive” as some milbloggers have, may be an attempt to temper expectations of significant Russian advances.[2] Russian operations including intensive artillery and airstrikes are likely intended to degrade Ukrainian forces around Avdiivka

The Russian information space writ large is also metering its initial optimism about the prospects of Russian offensive operations around Avdiivka. Russian milbloggers initially reported maximalist and unverifiable claims of Russian advances over 10km, likely exaggerated the degree of Russian successes near Avdiivka during initial offensive operations, and expressed optimism for rapid Russian advances.[5] Some Russian milbloggers have since acknowledged difficulties in the Russian advance near Avdiivka and noted that Russian forces decreased their pace of offensive operations around the settlement.[6] Russian milbloggers have also begun to claim that intense and attritional fighting is ongoing around Avdiivka.[7] Many Russian milbloggers also continue to self-censor by limiting reports of Russian tactical actions and problems specific to individual sectors of the frontline.[8] A Russian milblogger claimed that unspecified actors, possibly the Russian military leadership and some subset of milbloggers, agreed to stop reporting on the Avdiivka operations, but reiterated complaints about general problems in the Russian military not specific to any sector of the front.[9]

Russian forces continued offensive operations aimed at encircling Avdiivka on October 15 but have yet to make further gains amid a likely decreasing tempo of Russian operations in the area. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces repelled more than 15 Russian assaults near Avdiivka, as well as northwest and southwest of the settlement.

Both Ukrainian military observers and Russian sources stated that Russian forces did not achieve their desired immediate breakthrough, and Russian forces faced initial high losses and a likely slower than anticipated rate of advance.[13] Avdiivka City Military Administration Head Vitaliy Barabash stated on October 12 that Russian forces conducted assaults with air support in 10 to 12 directions around the settlement, whereas the Ukrainian General Staff reported on October 15 that fighting occurred near only six settlements.[14] Ukrainian Tavriisk Group of Forces Spokesperson Colonel Oleksandr Shtupun stated on October 14 that the pace of Russian offensive operations near Avdiivka declined and that Russian forces have lost more than 300 pieces of military equipment and 3000 personnel since intensifying offensive operations in the area on October 9

Russian forces will likely continue offensive operations at this decreased tempo in the near term, however, and will remain a threat to Ukrainian forces in the area despite being unlikely to achieve a decisive breakthrough or encircle Avdiivka at this time. Any decrease in the tempo of Russian offensive operations may be the result of a temporary adjustment to the tactical situation, and Russian forces may intensify their attempts to encircle Avdiivka in the coming days. A Ukrainian military observer noted that Russian forces have penetrated Ukrainian flanks around Avdiivka and pose a significant threat to Ukrainian positions despite being unlikely to encircle Avdiivka in the near term

A prominent Russian milblogger and frontline unit commander complained that the Russian military leadership is uninterested in battalion level problems, supplementing other Russian milblogger complaints about general problems in the Russian military.[18] Russian “Vostok” Battalion Commander Alexander Khodakovsky, who has previously complained about problems affecting Russian forces’ ability to conduct effective combat operations, claimed on October 15 that Russian infantry on the front in Ukraine face problems with insufficient counterbattery capabilities, commander competency, medical support, rotations, and supplies.[19] Khodakovsky claimed that a lack of communication between Russian battalions and headquarters is common, so much so that (in an undated and unspecific anecdote) when Ukrainian forces struck a Russian headquarters building, a Russian battalion did not realize that the headquarters had been disabled and continued conducting operations independently

Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on October 15 and slightly advanced south of Bakhmut. Geolocated footage published on October 15 shows that Ukrainian forces marginally advanced towards the railway line north of Klishchiivka (7km southwest of Bakhmut), and Russian sources reported continued Ukrainian ground attacks south of Bakhmut on the Klishchiivka-Kurdyumivka-Andriivka line (7-13km southwest of Bakhmut).


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Key Takeaways:

Russian President Vladimir Putin may be trying to temper expectations of significant Russian advances around Avdiivka in Donetsk Oblast.

The Russian information space writ large is also metering its initial optimism about the prospects of Russian offensive operations around Avdiivka.

Russian forces continued offensive operations aimed at encircling Avdiivka on October 15 but have yet to make further gains amid a likely decreasing tempo of Russian operations in the area.

Russian forces will likely continue offensive operations at this decreased tempo in the near term, however, and will remain a threat to Ukrainian forces in the area despite being unlikely to achieve a decisive breakthrough or encircle Avdiivka at this time.

A prominent Russian milblogger and frontline unit commander complained that Russian military leadership is uninterested in battalion level problems, supplementing other Russian milblogger complaints about general problems in the Russian military.

Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on October 15 and slightly advanced south of Bakhmut.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on October 15 and advanced in some areas.

A Russian milblogger claimed that Russian forces have “significant” reserves comprised of new divisions currently located in rear areas, though these formations are highly unlikely to be fully staffed at this time.

The Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) is sending a reportedly Kremlin-affiliated priest to Crimea, likely as part of continued Russian efforts to persecute religious communities in occupied Ukraine.


Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 10/16/23 at 5:29 am to
LINK

Very interesting assessment from the general who leads India's military:

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Chief of Defence Staff Gen Anil Chauhan says, "The geopolitical importance of Russia will go down in the times to come. It is in spite of it being a major nuclear power. The Wagner rebellion indicates the internal weakness and is indicative of what may lie in store for the future as far as Russia is concerned,"



India has traditionally purchased most of its military equipment from Russia, and India was traditionally close to the USSR, while the US traditionally counted Pakistan as more of an ally. All of that seems to be changing now.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5653 posts
Posted on 10/16/23 at 6:13 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 16 October 2023

The purported Private Military Company (PMC) Redut is recruiting mercenaries under the guise of "volunteers", including former Wagner personnel. The Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) likely supervises and finances the group's activities, including its recruitment. Since the start of the invasion, Redut has been involved in combat operations in Donetsk, Kharkiv, Kyiv, and Luhansk oblasts. The group highly likely has over 7,000 personnel.

At present, Redut is one of a number of PMCs and Volunteer Corps units being utilised by the Russian Ministry of Defence to augment Russian regular forces. It is a realistic possibility that the Russian Ministry of Defence's practise of recruiting through "volunteer" units has contributed to Russia avoiding further unpopular mobilisations.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/16/23 at 8:59 am to
It has definitely been impacted by the stalemate, the Israel/Hamas war, and the trolls. I am still following the war, not as closely as I did in the past because there isn't as much to follow. If Ukraine or Russia makes a major move, people will be back.

You just have to filter out the trash posters.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12327 posts
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:03 am to
How is the Black Sea fleet looking these days? Have they completely withdrawn from Sevastopol?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38455 posts
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:05 am to
Saw a video the other day of a column of ruskie tanks getting shitted on.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5653 posts
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:12 am to
Mykhailo Fedorov
@FedorovMykhailo

An absolute record from the Army of Drones. During last week, our heroes hit 428 pieces of Russian equipment: 101 cannons, 88 armored vehicles, 75 tanks etc. UAVs proved to be very efficient in the defense of Avdiivka. More drones are coming soon.
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8131 posts
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:29 am to
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It has definitely been impacted by the stalemate, the Israel/Hamas war, and the trolls. I am still following the war, not as closely as I did in the past because there isn't as much to follow. If Ukraine or Russia makes a major move, people will be back.

I think we've seen the end of 'major' offensive actions until the winter freeze sets in.

Russia has not advanced in any meaningful way since they took Bakhmut with human wave tactics. Ukraine has not made much progress, either.

Either side could break in 2024. I think this upcoming year will prove decisive, one way or the other.
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8131 posts
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:34 am to
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India has traditionally purchased most of its military equipment from Russia, and India was traditionally close to the USSR, while the US traditionally counted Pakistan as more of an ally. All of that seems to be changing now.

People who sunshine pump for the Russians are missing the bigger picture.

Sure, Russia took some land from Ukraine. But they did so at the expense of their diplomatic standing. They did so at the expense of their economy. They did so at the expense of the military defense industry.

What Russia has accomplished thus far is at best a pyrrhic victory. Taking the Donbas won't erase their foreign reserve losses. Holding near Tokmak won't grant them access to the European single market.

Russia is reduced to selling oil at a loss, and a discounted sale at that. State governors are speaking out against Putin. They had a literal coup in June.

It's not looking good.
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 9:37 am
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19821 posts
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:42 am to
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Chief of Defence Staff Gen Anil Chauhan says, "The geopolitical importance of Russia will go down in the times to come. It is in spite of it being a major nuclear power. The Wagner rebellion indicates the internal weakness and is indicative of what may lie in store for the future as far as Russia is concerned,"

Russia's neighbors are going to start eating away at its periphery. Western Europe may or may not try to take some, but China will eventually retake Outer Manchuria and Japan will seize Sakhalin Island. Turkey will eventually flex their muscles in the Caucasus and the 'Stans, primarily the Khazakhs, will probably get a chunk of the Wheat Belt. Russia is just geographically too big and their dwindling population too small to defend it all. Their neighbors may not seem like much individually, but it's like a pack of hyenas vs a lion cub. The hyenas will win eventually.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19821 posts
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:46 am to
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Have they completely withdrawn from Sevastopol?

My understanding is that they've withdrawn from Sevastapol to Novorissiysk.
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