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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:18 am to cypher
Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:18 am to cypher
Interesting assessment of Russia's failed offensive.
LINK
As a teaser
LINK
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I would like to make an assessment of the momentarily situation around Avdiivka.
Russians made a range of huge mistakes, but I would like to start with things which they did right. The first was to apparently conceal their built up in this sector. It is only fair to say that the intensity of the Russian attack in the sector surprised the Ukrainian defense. The Russian army successfully deployed a strike force which comprises a forces the size of several brigades. To conceal such a large offensive force is a feat in itself and I will give them that. The second feat is to muster logistically such an attack, though there is something which already nullifies this feat, but I will dive into this later.
And here it ends what they did right.
As a teaser
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Posted on 10/15/23 at 9:52 am to No Colors
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First, it's not half a trillion. You're disingenuous at best.
Oh yes. It is.
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This failed invasion will be the end of Putin and Russia as a fools gold alternative to the western power structure.
Except again it's not already. We need to mention again Return On Inverstment.
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Third: you keep talking about money. Sometimes things aren't about money. Sometimes it's about right and wrong.
Morality has no place in the US government. And there was no invasion until Kiev started bombing Donbas. Diplomacy failed
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If you want to play the game of who can finance this war the longest, then that's easy.
I loke most Americans are tired of financing this war
that's the whole point really. I am not scared the man with the GDP the size of the state of Louisiana is the biggest boogey man on planet Earth. quote:
Finally: the only thing we can all agree on is that you're a paid shill for the Russia/Iran/North Korea/Cuba/Hamas axis.
Axis? You and your ilk are so lazy and really were playing dress up war games for WWIII weren't you, Tanner?
Posted on 10/15/23 at 10:08 am to Errerrerrwere
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First, it's not half a trillion. You're disingenuous at best.
Oh yes. It is.
you truly can't be this daft 113 billion is NOT 500 billion
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 10:09 am
Posted on 10/15/23 at 12:22 pm to StormyMcMan
Obviously, it's whatever you want it to be at this point. Even though you provide no proof of your 113B.
Certainly, you would agree that 113B should get a better ROI than less than 1%, correct?
Certainly, you would agree that 113B should get a better ROI than less than 1%, correct?
Posted on 10/15/23 at 12:50 pm to Errerrerrwere
How much of the 113B was mothballed equipment that we got rid of.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 12:57 pm to tigeraddict
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How much of the 113B was mothballed equipment that we got rid of.
I don't know. You don't know. We don't even know that it was 113B for certain.
Then, we need to look at how some of the weapons sent to Ukraine made it into Hamas's hands last week.
It's really a shitty situation all around, right?
Posted on 10/15/23 at 1:18 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Even though you provide no proof of your 113B.
Here you go Source 1 Source 2 (might be the first time I've actually linked CNN this whole thread) Source 3 NY Times do you want more?
Now let's see if you can find a random higher number since you apparently think we've spent somewhere between 200B and 500B
Posted on 10/15/23 at 1:23 pm to StormyMcMan
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Now let's see if you can find a random higher number
I don't think he even understands how numbers work and what the mean.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 1:25 pm to tigeraddict
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How much of the 113B was mothballed equipment that we got rid of.
Around 43B but that includes ammo
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The US has sent more than $43 billion in security assistance to the Ukrainian government since February 24, 2022, primarily through presidential drawdowns and the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). Security assistance comes in the form of equipment and weaponry.
That's from source 1 above
Posted on 10/15/23 at 1:25 pm to StormyMcMan
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Now let's see if you can find a random higher number since you apparently think we've spent somewhere between 200B and 500B
While you want to argue exact numbers I'll argue the point.
200M is too much especially when these weapons end up in the hands of Sunni terrorists.
Further proving the argument that if we weren't there to begin with we'd still have whatever monies (it's really whatever you want it to he) and the Russians couldn't send seized weapons to their buddies in Hamas
So, thank you for continuing to prove my point with your gotcha moment. A standing ovation is needed for your link you provided proving we have sent way too much money for a 1% return of land.
You continue to prove my point for this money/ weapon laundering world wide fiasco.
Keep up the good work, kid. You really showed me
Posted on 10/15/23 at 1:26 pm to StormyMcMan
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Around 43B but that includes ammo
Great. None of us really know for sure when the Pentagon loses hundreds if billions of dollars, right?
Posted on 10/15/23 at 1:41 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Keep up the good work, kid. You really showed me
So you have no source and just want to believe whatever you want to be true even when shown to be wrong (Russia hasn't captured all of the Dobas, we haven't spent 200B, we haven't spent 500B, Ukraine has recaptured more than 1% of land)
ETA and this was from you just yesterday
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But I have provided link after link of pure facts in this thread.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 10/15/23 at 2:22 pm to StormyMcMan
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Russia hasn't captured all of the Dobas
Okay 50% of that
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we haven't spent 200B,
Okay 50% of that
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Ukraine has recaptured more than 1% of land
Your bug gotcha here is arguing percentages. But it's actually less than 1% from the Ukraine politician interview I posted yesterday.
Not only are you using percentages as a gotcha. You are using lies about what they recaptured and that the counter offensive is working.
Sad
Posted on 10/15/23 at 3:23 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Your bug gotcha here is arguing percentages. But it's actually less than 1% from the Ukraine politician interview I posted yesterday.
Not only are you using percentages as a gotcha. You are using lies about what they recaptured and that the counter offensive is working.
I can acknowledge that it's probably around since the counter offensive, but you keep saying Ukraine has only recaptured 1% and we've spent half a trillion dollars (and then acknowledged its 113B). Those aren't on the same time frames so you either need to change how much we've spent to only be since May/June or acknowledge that Ukraine has recaptured much more than 1%. You've failed to properly outline your own arguments
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 10/15/23 at 3:26 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Then, we need to look at how some of the weapons sent to Ukraine made it into Hamas's hands last week.
Likely from Hamas’s ally , Iran, who you support, via their ally Russia.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 10/15/23 at 3:35 pm to REG861
Every weapon that we have provided to Ukraine is being tracked by its serial number. We are literally spending tens of millions of dollars to track everything that we have sent to Ukraine. Needless to say, the idea that weapons provided to Ukraine are being used by Hamas is a very stupid lie from the Kremlin.
If there are American weapons being used by Hamas, they are likely weapons that we provided to Iraq, which Iraq then lost to ISIS, which then ended up on the black market in that part of the world.
If there are American weapons being used by Hamas, they are likely weapons that we provided to Iraq, which Iraq then lost to ISIS, which then ended up on the black market in that part of the world.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 3:43 pm to GOP_Tiger
To be fair, they could also be weapons that Russia captured from Ukraine. Or the Taliban from Afghanistan.
This is one of those instances of whatever you want to be true will give you your answer on where the weapons came from but we will likely never know the truth with certainty on this one.
This is one of those instances of whatever you want to be true will give you your answer on where the weapons came from but we will likely never know the truth with certainty on this one.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 4:10 pm to REG861
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Likely from Hamas’s ally , Iran, who you support, via their ally Russia.
Exactly! Thanks for proving my point yet again. We should have never got involved with this in the first place.
Between you thinking our weapons magically ended up in Russian hands and CitizenK wondering about head game; think the average age of posters in this thread is 12.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 4:12 pm to GOP_Tiger
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We are literally spending tens of millions of dollars to track everything that we have sent to Ukraine. Needless to say, the idea that weapons provided to Ukraine are being used by Hamas is a very stupid lie from the Kremlin
Internet user GOP uses the words like literally so it must be true.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 4:15 pm to StormyMcMan
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I can acknowledge that it's probably around since the counter offensive, but you keep saying Ukraine has only recaptured 1% and we've spent half a trillion dollars (and then acknowledged its 113B). Those aren't on the same time frames so you either need to change how much we've spent to only be since May/June or acknowledge that Ukraine has recaptured much more than 1%. You've failed to properly outline your own arguments
You continue to argue percentages (which none of us know is true and you know this).
I'll continue to argue we should never have been there anyway.
I'd advise: Take your stalemate and run with it. It's literally (wink to GOP Tiger) all you have.
Or just keep telling me more about percentages, maps and more of what you have no idea is true or not
From your own link (usafacts.org)
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While tracking every dollar of appropriated funds is difficult, a large portion goes toward security and economic resources for the US and European allies, meaning not all the money allocated to support the war efforts goes directly to Ukraine.
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 4:19 pm
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