- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:20 am to Auburn1968
Posted on 10/17/23 at 11:20 am to Auburn1968
Voice of America:
quote:
All 31 U.S.-made M1A1 Abrams tanks promised to Kyiv by the Biden administration have arrived in Ukraine, according to the U.S. military.
Col. Martin O’Donnell, a spokesman for U.S. Army Europe and Africa, told VOA that all of the Ukrainians who trained on the tanks with U.S. forces in Germany have also returned to Ukraine, along with ammunition and spare tank parts.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:21 pm to StormyMcMan
quote:
The US secretly provided Ukraine with long-range ATACMS missiles and the missiles are now in the country, according to two US officials.
quote:
Successful SOF operation to strike Russian airbases in Berdiansk and Luhansk. As a result, enemy’s losses are:
- 9 helicopters destroyed;
- 1 air defense launcher;
- special vehicles;
- ammo depots;
- air strips were severely damaged.
After last week's Russian losses against Avdiivka the Ukrainians were going to be hard pressed to keep the ball rolling this week. But they did it.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:28 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
All 31 U.S.-made M1A1 Abrams tanks promised to Kyiv by the Biden administration have arrived in Ukraine, according to the U.S. military.
Col. Martin O’Donnell, a spokesman for U.S. Army Europe and Africa, told VOA that all of the Ukrainians who trained on the tanks with U.S. forces in Germany have also returned to Ukraine, along with ammunition and spare tank parts.
This will allow Ukraine to start training on the M1A1 platform, while also utilizing the tanks in the north as a deterrent.
It frees up some tanks to head south to assist with the offensive, assuming Ukraine is still pushing with tanks.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:39 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
quote:
All 31 U.S.-made M1A1 Abrams tanks promised to Kyiv by the Biden administration have arrived in Ukraine, according to the U.S. military.
Col. Martin O’Donnell, a spokesman for U.S. Army Europe and Africa, told VOA that all of the Ukrainians who trained on the tanks with U.S. forces in Germany have also returned to Ukraine, along with ammunition and spare tank parts.
Just in time for the mud season. Glad to see our "leaders" are thinking ahead.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 2:05 pm to Auburn1968
On his Telegram channel, General Zaluzhny shares video of the ATACMS launch last night. It appears that three ATACMS were used to attack the Berdyansk airfield.
Another report says that Ukraine only received a dozen or so ATACMS in this first batch.
Another report says that Ukraine only received a dozen or so ATACMS in this first batch.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 2:51 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
On his Telegram channel, General Zaluzhny shares video of the ATACMS launch last night. It appears that three ATACMS were used to attack the Berdyansk airfield.
Another report says that Ukraine only received a dozen or so ATACMS in this first batch.
Looks like target selection was excellent. Those helicopters could be an even bigger problem in the mud season when armor can hardly move around anywhere but on paved roads.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 2:55 pm to GOP_Tiger
Made in the mid 1990's, 1996 and 1997
Posted on 10/17/23 at 3:20 pm to CitizenK
Right. They were 26 and 27-year-old weapons that were past their shelf lives, and we probably would not have felt confident using them ourselves.
The logical conclusion is that Ukraine isn't getting longer range ATACMS with the unitary warhead anytime soon. It probably won't happen until after the US Army gets significant deliveries of PrSM.
The logical conclusion is that Ukraine isn't getting longer range ATACMS with the unitary warhead anytime soon. It probably won't happen until after the US Army gets significant deliveries of PrSM.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 3:40 pm to GOP_Tiger
This is an old video explaining and demonstrating the ATACMS and how they work. The interesting part is that they spin as they are just about over the target dispersing the cloud of bomblets.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipr_hPAcR_Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ipr_hPAcR_Q
Posted on 10/17/23 at 6:30 pm to Auburn1968
I don't know which Telegram channel this is from, but there's similar chatter on other channels (Rybar included). At this point, it's unclear whether this is a raid, or whether it's the start of something big across the Dnipro.
Edit:

Edit:
This post was edited on 10/17/23 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 10/17/23 at 6:44 pm to GOP_Tiger
Take out the helo’s last night and cross the river tonight? Helo’s would be biggest threat to stop since not many forces in the area……
Not saying this is what is happening but it if we’re to happen not having helo’s respond would make it easier to pull off
Not saying this is what is happening but it if we’re to happen not having helo’s respond would make it easier to pull off
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:05 pm to tigeraddict
ISW Update
quote:
Ukraine used US-provided ATACMS long-range missiles to strike Russian targets in occupied Ukraine for the first time on October 17. The Wall Street Journal and other Western media outlets confirmed on October 17 that the US “secretly” provided Ukraine with ATACMS with a range of 165km in recent days and reported that Ukrainian forces already used ATACMS to strike Russian-controlled airfields in occupied Berdyansk, Zaporizhia Oblast and Luhansk City, Luhansk Oblast.[1] Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky also stated in his nightly address on October 17 that ATACMS “have proven themselves” but did not directly confirm ATACMS were used in these strikes, and multiple Russian sources claimed Ukrainian forces used ATACMS in the Berdyansk strike.[2] Various Russian sources amplified images reportedly of ATACMS M74 cluster submunitions found at the site of the strike in Berdyansk
The Ukrainian ATACMS strikes on operationally significant Russian airfields in Ukraine will likely prompt the Russian command to disperse aviation assets and withdraw some aircraft to airfields further from the frontline. Russian forces notably operated rotary-wing aircraft from the Berdyansk airfield in the early months of the ongoing Ukrainian counteroffensive in western Zaporizhia Oblast to great effect against large mechanized Ukrainian assaults...The Russian military has consistently shown it can adapt to new Ukrainian strike capabilities — but only after suffering initial and pronounced losses from Ukrainian capabilities Russian commanders realistically should have prepared for.
The likely dispersal of Russian aircraft at airfields throughout occupied Ukraine and the relocation of aviation assets further away from the frontline will likely disrupt Russian aviation support for defensive efforts and localized offensive operations. The relocation of aircraft to airfields further in the rear will likely impact the loitering time that Russian aviation will have to support operations. This will likely be particularly significant for Russian rotary-wing aircraft, which operated in relatively small sections of the frontline for long periods of time to degrade advancing mechanized Ukrainian forces at the beginning of the counteroffensive in June and July of 2023.[12] The dispersal of aviation assets at a larger number of airfields will also likely present the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) greater coordination and sustainment challenges.
The arrival of ATACMS long-range missiles also poses a significant threat to Russian ammunition depots in rear areas and will likely force the Russian command to choose between fortifying existing depots or further dispersing depots throughout occupied Ukraine. The arrival of HIMARS to Ukraine in June 2022 allowed Ukrainian forces to conduct an operationally significant interdiction campaign in support of counteroffensive operations in Kherson and Kharkiv oblasts, part of which targeted overly concentrated Russian ammunition depots.[13] The Russian command reluctantly moved away from using highly concentrated ammunition depots, extending Russian logistics along longer ground lines of communications (GLOCs), which ultimately complicated the provision of ammunition and supplies to the frontline to a certain degree.[14] ATACMS will likely present Russian forces with a similar challenge, and Russian forces can either focus on fortifying existing depots or create an even more dispersed and therefore over-extended logistics system for ammunition.
The Russian information space expressed widespread fear over the use of ATACMS, and Russian concerns over the possibility of future strikes will likely impact Russian decision-making beyond the current Ukrainian ability to sustain regular ATACMS strikes. Russian sources bemoaned the strikes on the Berdyansk and Luhansk City airfields as one of the most devastating Ukrainian strikes on a Russian target since the start of Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine
Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations and advanced near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive actions south of Bakhmut and had partial success west of Verbove (10km east of Robotyne in western Zaporizhia Oblast).[18] Geolocated footage posted on October 16 also indicates that Ukrainian forces advanced northwest of Zaliznyanske (9km northwest of Bakhmut).[19]
The US confirmed on October 17 that all 31 previously pledged American M1 Abrams main battle tanks have arrived in Ukraine.
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) posted footage on October 17 of Russian forces operating the new TOS-2 “Tosochka” thermobaric artillery system in Ukraine.[22] The Russian MoD claimed that Central Military District (CMD) Radiation, Chemical, and Biological Defense Troops used the TOS-2 system to strike a Ukrainian fortified area in an unspecified area of the front, potentially in reference to Avdiivka, where some CMD elements have recently deployed to support offensive operations north of Donetsk City.[23] Russian media responded to the MoD’s footage and noted that the TOS-2 is a modernized and improved version of the TOS-1A “Solntsepek” system that Russian forces have heavily employed across the theater in Ukraine.[24] Thermobaric artillery systems such as the TOS-1A and TOS-2 are military district–level assets, and their commitment to certain sectors of the front may be indicative of Russian operational prioritization of certain areas.[25]
The Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) reportedly issued an informal warning to a prominent Russian milblogger who is often critical of the Ministry of Defense’s conduct of the war on October 16 for discrediting the Russian military, the latest in a series of government efforts to gain further control over the Russian information space. The milblogger claimed on October 17 that he writes candidly about the situation on the front to better inform Russian military leadership about the issues on the front that local commanders are unwilling to report.[26] The milblogger claimed that MVD is targeting Russian milbloggers who helped publicize the mistreatment of elements of the Russian 205th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade (49th Combined Arms Army, Southern Military District) in the Kherson direction in late August 2023, which ultimately resulted in the removal of the brigade’s commander.
Russia continues to set various legislative conditions to prepare the information space for the March 2024 presidential elections. The Russian State Duma adopted a bill in its first reading on October 17 that clarifies provisions on the Russian law on presidential elections and stipulates that campaign materials cannot be shown on sites restricted by the Russian Federal Service for Supervision of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media (Roskomnadzor).[29] The bill will also ban people from taking photographs and videos at polling stations, require registered candidates to submit information to their electoral commission if they have a criminal record, and establish a cost limit for the production of campaign materials.[30] Several of these provisions already exist in laws governing basic electoral rights, but these provisions will clarify the specific law on presidential elections in advance of the March 2024 election cycle.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:05 pm to StormyMcMan
quote:
Key Takeaways:
Ukraine used US-provided ATACMS long-range missiles to strike Russian targets in occupied Ukraine for the first time on October 17.
The Ukrainian ATACMS strikes on operationally significant Russian airfields in Ukraine will likely prompt the Russian command to disperse aviation assets and withdraw some aircraft to airfields further from the frontline.
The Russian military has consistently shown it can adapt to new Ukrainian strike capabilities — but only after suffering initial and pronounced losses from Ukrainian capabilities Russian commanders realistically should have prepared for.
The arrival of ATACMS long-range missiles also presents a significant threat to Russian ammunition depots in rear areas and will likely force the Russian command to choose between fortifying existing depots or further dispersing depots throughout occupied Ukraine.
The Russian information space expressed widespread fear over the use of ATACMS, and Russian concerns over the possibility of future strikes will likely impact Russian decision-making beyond the current Ukrainian ability to sustain regular ATACMS strikes.
Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations and advanced near Bakhmut and in western Zaporizhia Oblast.
The Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs (MVD) reportedly issued an informal warning to a prominent Russian milblogger who is often critical of the Ministry of Defense’s conduct of the war on October 16 for discrediting the Russian military.
Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, near Avdiivka, southwest of Donetsk City, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast, and advanced in certain areas of the front.
Russia continues to take steps to codify the inclusion of volunteer formations within Rosgvardia.
The Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) continues efforts to consolidate control of orthodox diocese in occupied areas of Ukraine.
Russian President Vladimir Putin held bilateral negotiations with Hungarian President Viktor Orban and Mongolian President Ukhnaagiin Khurelsukh in Beijing on October 17.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:38 pm to GOP_Tiger
Rybar's map:
I got very excited the last time that Ukraine did something like this, with the Kozachi Laheri incursion a few months ago. I thought that Ukraine would exploit the beachhead by pushing some BMPs or Rosomaks across, broaden the beachhead enough to keep artillery from striking a pontoon bridge, and then cross in force.
Obviously, none of that happened. Ukraine simply treated it as a successful raid that distracted Russia a bit from Zaporizhzhia.
But maybe now is a better time for a bigger crossing. I dunno.
I got very excited the last time that Ukraine did something like this, with the Kozachi Laheri incursion a few months ago. I thought that Ukraine would exploit the beachhead by pushing some BMPs or Rosomaks across, broaden the beachhead enough to keep artillery from striking a pontoon bridge, and then cross in force.
Obviously, none of that happened. Ukraine simply treated it as a successful raid that distracted Russia a bit from Zaporizhzhia.
But maybe now is a better time for a bigger crossing. I dunno.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 9:04 pm to GOP_Tiger
Looks promising as anything we've seen in the last 2 months.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 9:10 pm to jeffsdad
quote:
The Russian Orthodox Church (ROC) continues efforts to consolidate control of orthodox diocese in occupied areas of Ukraine.
I proudly support Russia and its Christian leaders in their noble battle against the NWO and the Globalists.
quote:
Russian President Vladimir Putin held bilateral negotiations with Hungarian President Viktor Orban and Mongolian President Ukhnaagiin Khurelsukh in Beijing on October 1
Based Orban is one of the biggest heroes on the planet. One of the few who stands up to the Matrix filth.
This post was edited on 10/18/23 at 12:09 am
Posted on 10/17/23 at 10:04 pm to SirWinston
quote:
proudly support Russia and its Christian leaders
Christian leaders don’t look the other way when their troops murder civilians in mass. You are idiot and a terrible person and you should move to Russia and volunteer to be machine gun fodder for Putin.
Posted on 10/18/23 at 12:09 am to WeeWee
You're siding with Obama, Biden, Blix, Gates, Kinzinger, Cheney, Rothschilds, Zelenskyyy, Soros, and the MIC.
It's humorous to listen to you lot attempt to claim the moral high ground.
It's humorous to listen to you lot attempt to claim the moral high ground.
This post was edited on 10/18/23 at 12:12 am
Posted on 10/18/23 at 2:42 am to SirWinston
quote:
You're siding with Obama, Biden, Blix, Gates, Kinzinger, Cheney, Rothschilds, Zelenskyyy, Soros, and the MIC. It's humorous to listen to you lot attempt to claim the moral high ground.
You’re siding with former KGB agent wanting to remake the Soviet Union. The same former KGB who let 100,000 Christians be forced to flee their homes by muslims despite the Christians being part of the CSTO. That same former KGB agent is also allies with Iran, North Korea, and the ChiComs. Putin only is only using religion as tool to distract the Russian people and foreign idiots. So by standing with Russia you are also standing with the CCP. Of course, you are too stupid to realize that.
This post was edited on 10/18/23 at 3:04 am
Posted on 10/18/23 at 4:34 am to WeeWee
Right. Worshipping Putin and Mother Russia isn't Christian: it's idolatry.
It's the same as the Kim cult in North Korea. Calling it "Christian" doesn't make it so. Sadly, I also see increasing numbers in the US looking for a political savior, desiring victory over their political opponents instead of victory over sin and death.
But it's worth repeating that Russia doesn't even pretend very well to be Christian. It's still an atheist country, with only about 7% of the population going to church on a weekly basis. That's why, for example, Russia has the world's highest abortion rate by far -- they aren't a people who value life.
The US state with the lowest church attendance, Vermont, still has over 20% who attend weekly church services. And Ukraine also has about 26% weekly church attendance, more than three times the number in Russia.
That's a big part of the reason that I care so much about this war. Russia has systematically eliminated Baptist and other evangelical churches and occupied Ukraine. They consider those to be western perversions and persecute the faithful.
It's the same as the Kim cult in North Korea. Calling it "Christian" doesn't make it so. Sadly, I also see increasing numbers in the US looking for a political savior, desiring victory over their political opponents instead of victory over sin and death.
But it's worth repeating that Russia doesn't even pretend very well to be Christian. It's still an atheist country, with only about 7% of the population going to church on a weekly basis. That's why, for example, Russia has the world's highest abortion rate by far -- they aren't a people who value life.
The US state with the lowest church attendance, Vermont, still has over 20% who attend weekly church services. And Ukraine also has about 26% weekly church attendance, more than three times the number in Russia.
That's a big part of the reason that I care so much about this war. Russia has systematically eliminated Baptist and other evangelical churches and occupied Ukraine. They consider those to be western perversions and persecute the faithful.
Popular
Back to top


2






