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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:06 am to CitizenK
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:06 am to CitizenK
Would there be feasibility in using this rail link to transport grain to the Romanian port of Constanta - the largest port in the Black Sea?
There is a significant hurdle in that Ukraine uses a different gauge to Romania but it sounds like the Ukrainian team completed their part of the new link quite quickly, I wonder how quickly they could do a custom line with enough manpower.
Of course a single rail line is easily targeted but it is much further away from Russian launch sites than the Odessan port.
https://www.aviation24.be/railways/ukrainian-railways-relaunches-ukraine-romania-railway-connection/
https://twitter.com/AKamyshin/status/1615476975870660610
https://www.marineinsight.com/know-more/major-black-sea-ports/
There is a significant hurdle in that Ukraine uses a different gauge to Romania but it sounds like the Ukrainian team completed their part of the new link quite quickly, I wonder how quickly they could do a custom line with enough manpower.
Of course a single rail line is easily targeted but it is much further away from Russian launch sites than the Odessan port.
https://www.aviation24.be/railways/ukrainian-railways-relaunches-ukraine-romania-railway-connection/
https://twitter.com/AKamyshin/status/1615476975870660610
https://www.marineinsight.com/know-more/major-black-sea-ports/
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Constanta is the largest black seaport and also the biggest port of Romania. Situated on the western sea coast, it is a multi-purpose seaport, well-connected with all major ports of Eastern and Central European nations.
It can accommodate huge vessels and ships and is well-linked with the Danube, an added advantage that increases the volume of container traffic handled at the port. The port has an annual handling capacity of 100,000,000 tonnes.
Cereals are handled at 14 berths, incorporated with silos, warehouses sheltered storage space and cold storage facility. These berths can accommodate 360 thousand tons of dry cereal.
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Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:13 am to Chromdome35
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This is how you know the sanctions are hurting, Russia is using whatever leverage it can get to try to remove them.
Very much so, and the ones they want removed speak three things to me: food - ammo - money.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:15 am to OutsideObserver
Side note to anyone posting images on https://postimages.org/.
They seem to be having server issues for the last 12 hours so image links may not appear to populate into posts immediately, there is about a 3 minute delay.
They seem to be having server issues for the last 12 hours so image links may not appear to populate into posts immediately, there is about a 3 minute delay.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:22 am to OutsideObserver
Rail to any of these ports adds cost, thus takes away money from revenues for Ukrainian internal grain elevators. Even barge transport costs real money. Corn in Iowa is $2 a bushel cheaper than it is at export terminals at Port Allen and below, where the vast majority arrives but much cheaper transport, barges. Sure it is a solution but at a cost.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:41 am to OutsideObserver
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Would there be feasibility in using this rail link to transport grain to the Romanian port of Constanta - the largest port in the Black Sea?
There is a significant hurdle in that Ukraine uses a different gauge to Romania but it sounds like the Ukrainian team completed their part of the new link quite quickly, I wonder how quickly they could do a custom line with enough manpower.
Of course a single rail line is easily targeted but it is much further away from Russian launch sites than the Odessan port.
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Constanta is the largest black seaport and also the biggest port of Romania. Situated on the western sea coast, it is a multi-purpose seaport, well-connected with all major ports of Eastern and Central European nations.
It can accommodate huge vessels and ships and is well-linked with the Danube, an added advantage that increases the volume of container traffic handled at the port. The port has an annual handling capacity of 100,000,000 tonnes.
Cereals are handled at 14 berths, incorporated with silos, warehouses sheltered storage space and cold storage facility. These berths can accommodate 360 thousand tons of dry cereal.
Well, once it hits the rail lines instead of a ship the shipping costs are at least tripled.
Also, I don't know where the transitions are, but the railway gauges from Western European and former soviet bloc are different. Ukraine has the old Soviet gauge while the newer NATO nations from the old soviet bloc have been in transition to Western gauge. If they have to transfer from one railway to another thats another big headache and added cost. There are adjustable rail cars but nowhere near enough to put a dent in the wheat shipments.
Not to say It can't help but barges/ships are the only practical way to move this amount of wheat.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:44 am to OutsideObserver
Frankly, it sounds like the start of negotiations, period.
It’s a starting point.
It’s a starting point.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:47 am to CitizenK
From The Kyiv Post. I don't usually post opinion pieces but this one is timely and adds historical context...
Russia’s unilateral Black Sea blockade violates freedom of navigation, threatens global food supplies, and is costing Ukraine and the West billions. It is time to end it.
OPINION: Time to End Russia’s Black Sea Piracy by Kurt Volker
Russia’s unilateral Black Sea blockade violates freedom of navigation, threatens global food supplies, and is costing Ukraine and the West billions. It is time to end it.
OPINION: Time to End Russia’s Black Sea Piracy by Kurt Volker
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:47 am to XenScott
quote:If the West sent over representatives from NS, CN, CSX, etc., to advise Ukraine on modern railway policy and concepts, the Ukrainians would soon swear the RR guys were working for the Russians.
Well, once it hits the rail lines instead of a ship the shipping costs are at least tripled.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:45 am to soccerfüt
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If the West sent over representatives from NS, CN, CSX, etc., to advise Ukraine on modern railway policy and concepts, the Ukrainians would soon swear the RR guys were working for the Russians.
If from KCS, railcars would disappear then reappear in Mexico abandoned after valuable stolen commodities were removed.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:50 am to Chromdome35
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This is how you know the sanctions are hurting, Russia is using whatever leverage it can get to try to remove them.
You can't think of any other reason Russia might be making demands?
Why might Russia feel like they are in a position to make demands?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:53 am to Tiger985
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Why might Russia feel like they are in a position to make demands?
Help me here I may be wrong; Russia is trying to influence outside nations to push the West to back off sone?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:48 am to XenScott
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Well, once it hits the rail lines instead of a ship the shipping costs are at least tripled.
Maybe so but it's still manageable. Look at where US wheat is grown:
These are not places with a lot of water transport - maybe some barges, but mostly it's going to have to start by rail. I used to see train loads of wheat in Kansas City, possibly headed to barge facilities on the Missouri, just a guess. The US exports about half of its wheat, given that I don't see how rail export to Romania and elsewhere can't work after some time building the infrastructure.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 10:57 am to MNCTigah
Absent this year's conditions and demands, the prior grain deal allowed Russia to export it's own agricultural and fertilizer products... exempt from U.S. and EU sanctions.
The Russian's hid behind altruism and a concern for global food security. bullshite. It's about money and their own exports.
The Russian's hid behind altruism and a concern for global food security. bullshite. It's about money and their own exports.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:50 am to Tigris
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These are not places with a lot of water transport - maybe some barges, but mostly it's going to have to start by rail.
More than most people think. The Missouri is navigable into eastern Montana and the Columbia-Snake into Idaho.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 11:56 am to GOP_Tiger
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Worth noting that almost all of that chatter was based on a trash post from Igor Shusko, who has repeatedly lied for clicks, and who yet has a massive following, because he tells people what they want to hear.
I follow him just to know what not to believe. If I see something interesting on an account with only a few followers but he has also Tweeted it I know to take it with a 50# bag of salt.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:21 pm to StormyMcMan
Here is the full statement from Ukraine. Basically Ukraine saying that what's good for the goose is good for the gander
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1682008775517954051
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1682008775517954051
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BREAKING NEWS:
A statement by Ukrainian Defense Ministry:
??The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine warns that from 00:00 July 21, 2023, all vessels heading through the waters of the Black Sea in the direction of seaports of the Russian Federation and Ukrainian seaports located on the territory of Ukraine that is temporarily occupied by Russia may be considered by Ukraine as carrying military cargo with all the associated risks.
In addition, navigation in the areas of the North-Eastern part of the Black Sea and the Kerch-Yenikal Strait of Ukraine is prohibited as dangerous, from 05:00 on July 20, 2023. Relevant navigational information for mariners has already been published.
The Russian Federation has once again brutally violated the universal right to free navigation for the whole world and is deliberately undermining food security, condemning millions of people to starvation.
By openly threatening civilian ships transporting food from Ukrainian ports, launching missile attacks and drone attacks on civilian infrastructure in peaceful cities, deliberately creating a military threat on trade routes, the Kremlin has turned the Black Sea into a danger zone, primarily for Russian ships and ships heading in the waters of the Black Sea in the direction of seaports of the Russian Federation and Ukrainian seaports located on the territory of Ukraine temporarily occupied by Russia. The responsibility for all risks lies entirely with the Russian leadership.
The fate of the cruiser "Moscow" proves that the Defense Forces of Ukraine have the necessary means to repel Russian aggression at sea.
Link to the
@DefenceU
statement (in Ukrainian): LINK
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:51 pm to Chromdome35
Russian military and blogger-invader neutralized near Krasnohorivka
The second video in the link is described as showing Ukrainians using a couple of cluster rounds.
Ukrainian Military Portal
The second video in the link is described as showing Ukrainians using a couple of cluster rounds.
Ukrainian Military Portal
Posted on 7/20/23 at 12:57 pm to Jim Rockford
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More than most people think. The Missouri is navigable into eastern Montana and the Columbia-Snake into Idaho.
Sioux City, IA for the Missouri, and Tulsa for the Arkansas River. Minneapolis for the Mississippi River
Posted on 7/20/23 at 1:06 pm to Chromdome35
I know protecting the port in Odesa is very important and getting Ukrainian grain out is vital to not only their economy but to the world’s food supply. I do hope though that Ukrainian high command isn’t neglecting what’s going on up north. Russia massing that amount of troops has to be taken seriously. They clearly want to take back ground Ukraine took in their last offensive as it humiliated the Russian army to be pushed back as fast as they were. Losing it isn’t an option for Ukraine so hopefully they have sent reserves in that direction to blunt any attacks.
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