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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:49 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:49 am to GOP_Tiger
You belong in 2005 with John McCain and Chaim "Bill" Kristol and his ilk. You've learned absolutely nothing and proudly celebrate that sad fact.
This post was edited on 7/14/23 at 10:55 am
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Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:55 am to doubleb
Where was our commitment in 2014?
2022 was seen as an opportunity for Putin, as the USA didn't help Ukraine in 2014.
Selective memory for many in here, we led them into war with our CIA & color revolutions. Many died in Iran, Egypt, Syria, Libya, and Ukraine when we pushed opposition to their governments revolt, only to see us back away from directly supporting them.
2022 was seen as an opportunity for Putin, as the USA didn't help Ukraine in 2014.
Selective memory for many in here, we led them into war with our CIA & color revolutions. Many died in Iran, Egypt, Syria, Libya, and Ukraine when we pushed opposition to their governments revolt, only to see us back away from directly supporting them.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:01 am to LSU7096
we led them into war with our CIA & color revolutions
Oh this again
Oh this again
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:02 am to SirWinston
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SirWinston
hello Neville Chamberlain....is that you....the 1930's are calling and want their foreign policy back.....
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:06 am to LSU7096
It was stated earlier that the US backed the removal of a Russian puppet. A US aligned leader was then "elected", and Zelensky was then voted in, by the people of Ukraine, in 2018.
I don't think anyone here has selective memory. The US has always done things in it's best interest. That's what you do when you're the world police. Were there mistakes made, yes. I don't think anyone is refuting that.
I don't think anyone here has selective memory. The US has always done things in it's best interest. That's what you do when you're the world police. Were there mistakes made, yes. I don't think anyone is refuting that.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:06 am to SirWinston
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You belong in 2005 with John McCain
McCain was 100% correct about Russia. As was Romney. You belong with Obama, who laughed at the idea that Putin was a threat, which is what led to Russia's 2014 invasion of Ukraine.
Don't forget this moment with Putin's lapdog Medvedev:
This post was edited on 7/14/23 at 11:10 am
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:12 am to dtett
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I don't think anyone here has selective memory. The US has always done things in it's best interest. That's what you do when you're the world police. Were there mistakes made, yes. I don't think anyone is refuting that.
the US is not the only country trying to "Subvert" foreign powers to be more in line with their directions.
Russia was using its own assets and bribing Ukrainian leaders to put a favorable government into power....
all sides play the game... russia's play failed behind the scenes and the US play succeeded. so russia then went to the military play and too the Donbas and chimera. their continued press with assets and bribery didnt succeed in replacing the Ukraine government and they viewed the west weak and decided to ramp up and take Kiev by force to place an new "governor" in place.....
all the major powers peddle influence around the world...if you dont play the "game" you will lose to those who are playing the game.....
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:29 am to tigeraddict
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hello Neville Chamberlain....is that you....the 1930's are calling and want their foreign policy back.....
lol
Are you comparing the Russian military now to Germany in 1939?
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:39 am to TigersnJeeps
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But will all these issues make China more reckless in the near-term?
I don’t think so. They honestly do not have the males to keep their economy and military going in a long term war.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the new number 1 populated country in the world, India, doesn’t get a little feisty in the coming decades in regards to their neighbor.
They do love beating each other with sticks and stones up in the mountains which is absolutely hilarious to watch
Like here
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:51 am to GOP_Tiger
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And, with something like half of its conventional power destroyed now, of course Russia is weak -- really weak -- and will be so for at least the next decade.
Putin's arrogance got him to get his foot stuck in the honey bucket and now it looks like he is doubling down.
Professor Michael Clark examines the current purge going on in Putin's army. It seems that some effective leaders are on the chopping block for complaining about not having things like adequate counter battery fire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5-tRpNHw9s
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:56 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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China is a threat. Their engine technology is advancing. They have the largest shipbuilding industry in the world by far. They’re constantly building new bases overseas. Everyday they gain more influence around the world. If you’re of the opinion that China isn’t a threat then Russia certainly is no threat and really we’re just wasting our time beating up on another little guy.
Culturally China is banning KPOP because the boy bands are too effete and they aren't recruiting drag queens and trannies into their militaries either.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 11:57 am to beerJeep
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They honestly do not have the males to keep their economy and military going in a long term war.
I mean, they still have like half a billion males. And any war with China won’t be a meat grinder like Ukraine is. It’ll primarily be an air and naval conflict.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:00 pm to tigeraddict
The nature of warfare has evolved (and devolved) quite a bit with introduction of cheap drones, smart missiles and blanket air defense. Might be very hard to achieve real air superiority given the effects of manpads to Patriot type systems.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:01 pm to Cosmo
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Are you comparing the Russian military now to Germany in 1939?
Lots of revisionist history here… prior to Feb 2022, russian military was considered formidable (behind only US and China)… prior to 1939, the French military was considered the preeminent European ground force, not Germany.
This post was edited on 7/14/23 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:06 pm to beerJeep
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Not sure why I’m being downvoted. Guess facts are scary?
Chinese population pyramid
1.46 billion people still produces a massive amount of military age manpower. They aren't recruiting drag queens and trannies either.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:14 pm to Auburn1968
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Margo Grosberg, intelligence chief of the Estonian Defence Forces, said that the actions of the Ukrainian troops during the counteroffensive and signs of complications for the occupation army of the Russian Federation may indicate that in the near future Ukraine can expect great success at the front.
Source: European Pravda, referring to ERR
Details: Grosberg commented on the tactics of the Armed Forces of Ukraine entailing the destruction of command posts and logistics centres of Russian troops with targeted strikes, on successes in areas near Bakhmut, as well as on data suggesting the possible exhaustion of Russian reserves.
LINK
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:22 pm to Auburn1968
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1.46 billion people still produces a massive amount of military age manpower. They aren't recruiting drag queens and trannies either.
That’s good and all, but under war mobilization their economy and government would be in free fall with haste.
Numbers aren’t exactly the benefit you think they are for china.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:27 pm to LSU7096
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Where was our commitment in 2014?
You are proving my point.
We failed to live up to our commitment and that led to an even bigger war.
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:32 pm to doubleb
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We failed to live up to our commitment and that led to an even bigger war
And to have done nothing in 2022 would have only embolden China/Russia
Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:43 pm to Auburn1968
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1.46 billion people still produces a massive amount of military age manpower.
Good luck feeding them if all hell breaks loose. China's food self sufficiency ratio has dropped to around 75% from around 97% 20 years ago. They are highly import dependent. That isnt good. There is a lot more they have to worry about than just the military might of the US.
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