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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:08 am to
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38441 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:08 am to
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China has been the only real challenger to America in at least 2 decades.


Eh. China is a paper tiger in for a world of hurt in the next 20 years.

That pop pyramid don’t lie, hoss.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42604 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:09 am to
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China is the real threat to American dominance and hegemony. Russia is a sideshow. What happens in Ukraine will not affect the average American’s life nor change the status quo in geopolitics one way or the other.

I disagree.

Countries around the world are seeing the US live up to our commitment to Ukraine. Down the road when we promise Japan, Taiwan, S Korea, Thailand or another nation something they will know we keep our commitments.

The average citizen won’t notice, but when we live up to our commitments we stabilize the world. We keep open our markets and our friends know we stand with them.

Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:10 am to
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China relies on Russian equipment for its military, like having to buy Russian engines for its airforce. China doesn't develop new military tech, it steals or purchases it. The Chinese military has no real combat experience or effective military doctrine. The population is aging out of combat service range and the economy is a precarious house of cards that is about to tip. They are not a threat.



China is a threat. Their engine technology is advancing. They have the largest shipbuilding industry in the world by far. They’re constantly building new bases overseas. Everyday they gain more influence around the world. If you’re of the opinion that China isn’t a threat then Russia certainly is no threat and really we’re just wasting our time beating up on another little guy.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13091 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:10 am to
Never underestimate an adversary.
China is much more capable than you suggest and will be a huge threat in the Pacific, if not globally, for a generation.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14806 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:11 am to
quote:

China is the real threat to American dominance and hegemony. Russia is a sideshow. What happens in Ukraine will not affect the average American’s life nor change the status quo in geopolitics one way or the other.



you don't think China is closely watching the war un Ukraine? Russia and China figured that the West and NATO were divided and too focused on internal issues. They are now looking at a united West and NATO that is also starting to ramp up military production and spending. They also see the economic restrictions placed on Russia.

China has to at least take pause to what they received as the west's weakness. And at best has to rethink their own military ambitions knowing how much better western military tech has an efect on the battle field.

EDIT:

And the biggest take away from the Russo-Ukraine war is that the world body will not stand for early 1900's style aggression for conquest of territory. the world wants stability. stopping Russia and forcing them back to pre-2012 borders will deter future action for other countries from attempting the same.

This post was edited on 7/14/23 at 8:15 am
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38441 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:12 am to
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will be a huge threat in the Pacific, if not globally, for a generation.


Nah, they are going downhill from here on out. They don’t have the youth. They don’t have the males.

Their entire cultural way of life depends on families having more than one son.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41045 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:13 am to
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what happens if we do face an opponent who can keep the air space contested?… something the US hasn’t faced in 70 years.


I wonder who we could reasonably expect the have a chance at contesting airspace against us. Our airborne capabilities that we know of are miles ahead of the competition and the stuff we don’t know about probably blows the other stuff out of the sky.

China and Russia? Lol. They cannot compete with our air capabilities. Not as of now or the near future.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:17 am to
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We are all okay with sending money to a country that housed 20+ biolabs that researched viral weaponry and not okay when a country claims violation of the Biological Weapons Treaty Act of 1975,


I love the blame the West for Russias invasion circle logic. We are almost back to square 1

1) NATO expansion
2) ethnic Russian protection
2) Biolabs
3) Ukriane isn't a real country and they are actually Russians

Back to square 1
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:20 am to
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China has been the only real challenger to America in at least 2 decades.


Oh, come on, man. Two decades? Please. Absolutely no one in 2003 would have agreed that China was a greater threat than Russia. Please show me something that indicates that.

I'm not sure, but I think that the US intelligence threat assessment first considered China to be a greater threat than Russia something like 7-8 years ago.


EDIT: Twenty years ago, China's military was total crap.
This post was edited on 7/14/23 at 8:22 am
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:20 am to
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stopping Russia and forcing them back to pre-2012 borders


I don’t think Ukraine is capable of that.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38441 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:21 am to
Not sure why I’m being downvoted. Guess facts are scary?

Chinese population pyramid

Let me know if you don’t know how to read it

LINK

Birth rate in absolute shambles.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15666 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:25 am to
China has a lot of internal problems like defaulting on over a trillion in bond debt (state owned companies)
It has power supply to manufacturing issues which has caused as much damage as their extreme covid lockdowns.
It has a definite demographics issue with a society in serious decline.

European nations have pivoted away from China economically due its support of Russia.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38159 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:29 am to
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Just wanting to confirm. We are all okay with sending money to a country that housed 20+ biolabs that researched viral weaponry and not okay when a country claims violation of the Biological Weapons Treaty Act of 1975, right?




Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:34 am to
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We are all okay with sending money to a country that housed 20+ biolabs that researched viral weaponry


Absolutely. The killer mosquitoes engineered in those labs are eating Russian troops alive, and the pigeons hitting Russians with toxic poop are simply devastating.

We need to invest more in Ukrainian biolabs. I can't wait until the Ukrainians figure out how to get giant squid to attack the Russian dolphins defending Sevastopol.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
38441 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:35 am to
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can't wait until the Ukrainians figure out how to get giant squid to attack the Russian dolphins defending Sevastopol.

hell march 2
Better be playing when that happens
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:37 am to
LOLOL.

Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
Member since Jul 2021
1134 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 9:02 am to
Putin stays taking Ls
Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
Member since Jul 2021
1134 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 9:41 am to
Russian occupiers from the 72nd Brigade are burying whatever is left of their comrades who were stuck in a Grad vehicle waiting for an order that never came, and condemn their leadership. The vehicle was destroyed with a precision Ukrainian strike. 72nd Brigade replaced Wagner units in Bakhmut.

LINK

Oof
This post was edited on 7/14/23 at 9:44 am
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:07 am to


The giant hole in its side was not a problem for this Bradley. Video at LINK.
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
2867 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:45 am to
But will all these issues make China more reckless in the near-term?
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