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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/24/23 at 8:07 pm to
Posted by JackHays
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 8:07 pm to
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Posted by Lakeboy7
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 8:08 pm to
Probably going to need a safety stand down day with the smokes.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 8:09 pm to
Isw update

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Key Takeaways

Discussions regarding reported Russian losses in Bakhmut have saturated the pro-war information space and are drowning out any remaining positive informational effect resulting from the city’s capture.

The overall Russian information space response to the capture of Bakhmut has fixated on attributing responsibility for its capture and speculating on the associated costs of the operation, thus depriving the Russian MoD of the oxygen necessary to positively frame the city’s capture.

Prigozhin is likely using his heightened profile following the capture of Bakhmut to intensify his attacks against the Russian military establishment and elites. Prigozhin is also using the perception that Wagner is responsible for the capture of Bakhmut to advocate for a preposterous level of influence over the Russian war effort in Ukraine.

The Kremlin continues efforts to portray Russia as having significant diplomatic partnerships.

Russian sources continued to respond to the limited all-Russian pro-Ukrainian Russian Volunteer Corps (RDK) and the Freedom of Russia Legion (LSR) raid into Belgorod Oblast.

Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks northeast of Kupyansk and along the Svatove-Kreminna line.

Russian forces continued limited ground attacks on the outskirts of Bakhmut and along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line.

Russian forces continue to target Ukrainian positions in southern Ukraine with FAB-500 aerial bombs.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu claimed on May 24 that more than 120,000 Russian personnel have undergone training since the start of the full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine.

The Russian Federation Council approved a law on holding elections in territories under martial law on.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 8:15 pm to
By the way, the US government puts to bed the idea that the drone attack on the Kremlin was a false flag:

NY Times

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Some U.S. officials initially considered the possibility that the Kremlin drone attack might have been carried out by the Russian government in a “false flag” operation designed to provide Moscow with a pretext to escalate the conflict.

But after the attack, the United States intercepted communications in which Russian officials were overheard discussing the incident and the findings of Moscow’s preliminary investigation into what took place. In those internal discussions, Russian officials seemed surprised by the drone intrusion and blamed Ukraine. U.S. officials said this intelligence helped convince them that the attack was not carried out by the Russians.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 8:20 pm to
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Discussions regarding reported Russian losses in Bakhmut have saturated the pro-war information space and are drowning out any remaining positive informational effect resulting from the city’s capture.


I highly doubt we will know the true number of losses Russia took in the capture of Bakhmut until years after this war is over, but I’m betting it’s in the tens of thousands. As for Ukrainian losses, who knows? I’m sure they’re heavy as well. Though, as they were on the defensive and Russia on the offensive, logic dictates Russian losses would be substantially higher than Ukrainian losses.
Posted by El Mattadorr
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 8:22 pm to
Also from the New Yorker article:

"a twenty-nine-year-old construction worker called Bison—because he was built like one—had been hospitalized three times: after being shot in the shoulder, after being wounded by shrapnel in the ankle and knee, and after being wounded by shrapnel in the back and arm"

What a legend!
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 8:23 pm to
I haven't watched much mainstream news. But with these losses, has our media reported on any of this? Or they basically ignoring Ukraine stuff?
Posted by MoarKilometers
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 8:35 pm to
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but it's worth watching the whole thing.

"Is there a guarantee they won't come to Moscow tomorrow?" dude is hysterically prophetic.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 8:59 pm to
Our media seems to be in a pattern where they release a fairly major story about every two weeks. They also have war related reporting when major events like the fall of Bakhmut occur.

Usually they are about 2 to 3 days behind. This commentary around Wagner casualties, will show up in the US media eventually.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:09 pm to
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Was there news of a drone?


There were several videos of a drone around Moscow earlier today but no word on who launched it or any impact.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 9:41 pm to
Thats actually a really good question I'm interested in hearing a response to.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 10:48 pm to
No offense taken, amigo
Posted by Breauxsif
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 11:23 pm to
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I’m betting it’s in the tens of thousands. As for Ukrainian losses, who knows? I’m sure they’re heavy as well.

Tens of thousands KIA or total casualties for both sides? It’s amazing how Russia kept throwing bodies into the meat grinder all for Bakhmut, which holds no real strategic importance for Russia.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 1:21 am to
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Tens of thousands KIA or total casualties for both sides? It’s amazing how Russia kept throwing bodies into the meat grinder all for Bakhmut, which holds no real strategic importance for Russia.


At this point, it’s anyone’s guess what the actual casualties for each side were. According to the wiki page ( LINK)for the battle, it started August 1, 2022. So the battle lasted just shy of 10 months. For some perspective, the Battle of Stalingrad lasted a little over 5 months.

Here are the casualty estimates Wiki shows for both sides…



Of course you have to keep in mind none of these estimates come from purely neutral sources so they have to be taken with a grain of salt.

Posted by Athanatos
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 5:11 am to
That reminds me of the DPR. I really forgot about them. Are they still operating their militia outside of the Russian MOD?

The survival rate for DPR militia who started this three day adventure innFebruary 2022 has got to be abysmal, but there is no retreat for them because if this war ends with Ukraine holding their particular town or region, the future will be very uncomfortable.


Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 5:14 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 25 May 2023

Analysis by Geollect indicates that since 14 May 2023, commercial vessels' Automatic Identification System (AIS) data has been remotely spoofed to create the impression of a 65km long Russian pro-war Z symbol on the Black Sea, visible on open source tracking software.

AIS is used to track vessels, including to ensure their safety. Tracks making up the image suggested vessel speeds of up to 102 knots (188 km/h), further suggesting they were fake.

Pro-Russian actors likely conducted the spoofing as an information operation, potentially in an attempt to bolster Russian morale ahead of an anticipated Ukrainian counter offensive.

The spoofing of AIS increases the risk of maritime accidents. Despite Russian virtual information operations in the Black Sea, its physical navy remains vulnerable: the Ivan Khurs intelligence gathering vessel was likely attacked on 24 May 2023.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 5:23 am to
Official of Ukrainian President's Office states Ukraine's counter-offensive already began

Tetiana Lozovenko, Olga Kyrylenko — Thursday, 25 May 2023, 10:17

Mykhailo Podoliak, Advisor to the Head of the Ukrainian President’s Office, has said that the Ukrainian counter-offensive has been going on for several days now.

Source: Podoliak in an interview with Italian TV channel Rai

Quote: "The counter-offensive has been going on for several days now, it's an intensive war along 1,500 kilometres of border, but the action has begun."

We do not want to strike the Russian territory, we will use the weapons you have provided us to target Russian positions in the territories occupied by Moscow, including Donbas and Crimea."

Ukrainska Pravda
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 6:00 am to
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We try not to have sides hear


Joke of the day.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 6:01 am to
Huge. We're finally discussing sending cluster munitions to Ukraine.

Wall Street Journal

South Korean Artillery Supply Allows U.S. to Delay Decision on Cluster Munitions for Ukraine

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WASHINGTON—South Korea is proceeding with the transfer of hundreds of thousands of artillery rounds for Ukraine, a move that U.S. officials said would make Kyiv’s planned offensive against Russian forces effective and allow the White House to delay a fraught decision about whether to supply cluster munitions banned by many countries.

The decision marks a turnabout by Seoul, which had pledged the artillery in November but then balked at providing lethal assistance, following months of U.S. pleas for help as the Pentagon’s own supply of artillery dwindles.

Under the confidential arrangement, South Korea is transferring the shells to the U.S., which in turn has arranged for them to be sent to Ukraine. The White House declined to comment, as did a South Korean government spokesman in Seoul.

The Pentagon declined to say how the shells are being sent or when the transfer is to be completed, but acknowledged that it has been in discussion with Seoul on buying its ammunition.

South Korea’s contribution of rounds has enabled the Biden administration to delay for now a decision on whether to send cluster munitions—the “dual-purpose improved conventional munition” in Pentagon parlance—to the Ukrainians.

“Cluster munitions would provide a missing piece for the Ukrainian counteroffensive to complement their precision medium-range missiles, tanks and troops,” said Michael O’Hanlon of the Brookings Institution, an independent Washington research organization. “But for those in the administration unready to make that leap, unitary 155 shells would meet some of the same requirements.”

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Ukraine has asked for cluster munitions and senior Republican lawmakers have pressed the administration to provide them. U.S. military and defense officials have been sympathetic to Ukraine’s request.

But officials in the White House and State Department have resisted, citing the international opprobrium long attached to the use of cluster munitions.

Fired from an artillery gun or rocket launcher, cluster munitions disperse bomblets that can fall on and kill multiple targets at once.

“It’s very effective against mixed targets, of personnel and equipment, especially when those targets are gathered into dense formations,” Army Gen. Christopher Cavoli, the top North Atlantic Treaty Organization commander, told Congress last month.

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Rep. Adam Smith of Washington, the ranking Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, said last week that he hadn’t made up his mind whether the munitions should be provided but thought the issue should be considered.

“I’m not in favor of spreading cluster munitions around the world, but in this particular case the Russians are already doing that in Ukraine,” Smith told a meeting of the Council on Foreign Relations. “If those weapons are helpful, then it’s something I think we need to consider.”
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/25/23 at 6:16 am to
New Prigozhin video shows him talking with his men about withdrawing from Bakhmut by June 1st. The translator bot gets confused a few times, but you can get the jist of it. The men talk about rest and about repairing equipment.

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