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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:26 pm to
Posted by jeffsdad
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:26 pm to
The political tards have enough sewage here now to argue among themselves for pages and pages. Ya'll gave an inch and they took a mile.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:27 pm to
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Is anybody worried about a depleted Russia flippin a nuke into Kyiv? That never seems to be discussed.


No, it isn't discussed because it won't happen.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30448 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:37 pm to
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There are some pro-Ukrainian accounts saying that the "Russian freedom fighters" did not actually lose the vehicles shown in Russian media. This is the most popular one.

I don't believe that claim at all. This thread, I believe, takes that theory down completely.




My gut has told me that picture was staged from the first time I saw it. That being said truth is often stranger than fiction and there is often a logical reason for odd looking stuff. Understanding why they ended up like they did probably is missing some context one would need to understand.

It was an odd moment that may be completely forgotten in a couple of weeks or it may be the genesis of something we remember forever. Odds are high it will be the former but one never knows.
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
38444 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:41 pm to
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The political tards have enough sewage here now to argue among themselves for pages and pages. Ya'll gave an inch and they took a mile.



Yeah, this thread has gone to shite the past week. Half of every page is some political argument or troll.
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 2:42 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30448 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:51 pm to
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Is anybody worried about a depleted Russia flippin a nuke into Kyiv? That never seems to be discussed.



As long as Solovyoz and his buddies are talking about it nonstop I am not concerned. If they quit it will ratchet up my OML meter. He was just talking about nukes again on his morning show and his weather guy was talking about using their Soviet-era weather weapons.

Youtube
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:56 pm to
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Is anybody worried about a depleted Russia flippin a nuke into Kyiv? That never seems to be discussed.



It's been discussed for multiple pages several times in this thread.

Early in the war last year, Putin would frequently reference nukes. Whenever he would make a nuclear threat, this board would have a dozen posts worried about it. Even then, though, the answer was that Putin would never use a nuke, because that would be the surest way to lose the war. Even India and China would oppose Russia if they used nukes.

In fact, the reason that Putin quit talking about nukes was that Xi told him to STFU about them. And Putin obeyed.

And that's why the topic doesn't come up here so much anymore.
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
7392 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 2:58 pm to
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Is anybody worried about a depleted Russia flippin a nuke into Kyiv? That never seems to be discussed



Not really, no. If you give credit to Putin at all, you think he's at least a semi-rational actor, and we've been pretty open in showing him just how compromised his security, his location, and his planning is. He's not an idiot.
Posted by OutsideObserver
Oceania.
Member since Dec 2022
784 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 3:04 pm to
Boardreader said:

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This is nothing new. I tend to take people at their word, when they spend years saying the same things. Its not like he's held back in saying what the natural borders of Russia would be-- I mean, this is a guy who in 2019 put in an English language Foreign Affairs journal, in plain words, his belief in non-sovereignty of Ukraine.



I wasn't offering it up as new information regarding his goals of imperial revanchism, which as you say is well documented.

It was more that what was said in the video doesn't correlate with historical record and Russia having a claim on the territories of Ukraine considering that claim only existed for just over 100 years. This is not much longer than Ukraine has existed as a sovereign entity in the context of history.

Edit: Added quote
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 3:05 pm
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 5/24/23 at 3:16 pm to
I mistook the supposed drone boat (doesn't look at all like Ukrainian types) for the SIGINT ship
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15671 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 3:23 pm to
Zeihan totally uses bullcrap as facts in some of this YouTubes. I will give him demographics, geography and history, but anything else he is pretty much clueless.

Russia importing most of its Bauxite from Ireland is like saying that the USSR exported freedom and peace. Or that no one screws animals in the Middle East, or Jackson, MS.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15671 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 3:35 pm to
Tigris,

Best friend of my sister was over E&P for ExxonMobil in Kazakhstan about 20 years ago. The bureaucracy was nothing close to anything she ever experienced and frustrating as hell.

A friend with a small demolition company went to Kazakhstan to clean up all the old Soviet refining equipment, for Chevron, left unused and abandoned for a few decades. That was 15 or so years ago. No one would buy any of it, even though surplus hydrocracker reactors very well preserved by the climate, were in demand in Canada about that time, and he had several built to Soviet standards (twice the steel then needed, weld joint efficiency didn't really matter).

He did note that there were lots of feral cats and these feasted on the cobras around. Workers liked eating the cobras.
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 3:42 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 3:52 pm to
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if everyone still believes?


Believes what?
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8163 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 3:53 pm to
Yep, I still believe you're an idiot. Thanks for checking.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 4:32 pm to
I have heard many Russian scholars say the same thing in interviews over the years:

Putin is a Tsarist/Imperialist, he is not a communist.
You can say the same for Lavrov. Putin's favorite Tsar is Alexander III.

youtube
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 4:33 pm
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 4:42 pm to
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just wondering if the good guys are still winning the war

Yep.

quote:

Errerrerrwere

You can go back into your cave now.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:06 pm to
Something is burning in Moscow in the vicinity of the Defense Ministry building.

Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:12 pm to
This is very interesting. It's a sign that the Biden administration is worried about getting more Ukraine funding passed through Congress, and so they are saving money in the program.

Are the Ukrainians buying this with the money that we gave to them? Not really. Most of the money that we gave them is allocated for other things, and the EU is giving Ukraine far more cash than we are.

quote:

WASHINGTON - The United States on Wednesday announced the approval of a US$285 million (S$385 million) sale of a NASAMS air defence system and related equipment to Ukraine as Kyiv seeks to boost protection against Russian strikes.

“Ukraine has an urgent need to increase its capabilities to defend against Russian missile strikes and aircraft,” the US Defence Security Cooperation Agency said in a statement.

“Acquiring and effectively deploying this capability will enhance Ukraine’s ability to defend its people and protect critical national infrastructure.”


Note that this is for the purchase of a new system, so this saves money in USAI. To save drawdown money, the administration could start using Lend-Lease.
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 7:16 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:25 pm to
I finally got around to around to watching the latest video from the popular milblogger Yevgeny Prigozhin: LINK. We had some excerpts from it yesterday, but it's worth watching the whole thing.

Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30448 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 7:59 pm to
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Something is burning in Moscow in the vicinity of the Defense Ministry building.


Reported on TASS that it is the Defense Ministry

Some video from twitter but it doesn't show a huge fire like the big picture you shared. The fire could be in another area of the building.

Twitter

Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30448 posts
Posted on 5/24/23 at 8:04 pm to
This Twitter claims to have them geolocated and they are two different fires but both in Moscow

Twitter includes map

Video of the big fire

Twitter
This post was edited on 5/24/23 at 8:06 pm
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