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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:14 am to Jim Rockford
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:14 am to Jim Rockford
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I'm rather surprised they're not pulling a bait and switch on these convicts.
I think most people see a second tour in store for them.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:24 am to Obtuse1
Posted on 3/22/23 at 1:20 am to Obtuse1
Not sure if it’s been posted here yet but in order to save time getting the tanks to the battlefield it looks like we will be sending the older M1A1 version to Ukraine now instead of the newer M1A2 version originally promised.
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This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 9:47 am
Posted on 3/22/23 at 5:45 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 22 March 2023
Over recent days Ukrainian forces initiated a local counterattack to the west of the Donetsk Oblast town of Bakhmut, which is likely to relieve pressure on the threatened H-32 supply route. Fighting continues around the town centre and the Ukrainian defence remains at risk from envelopment from the north and south.
However, there is a realistic possibility that the Russian assault on the town is losing the limited momentum it had obtained, partially because some Russian MoD units have been reallocated to other sectors.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 22 March 2023
Over recent days Ukrainian forces initiated a local counterattack to the west of the Donetsk Oblast town of Bakhmut, which is likely to relieve pressure on the threatened H-32 supply route. Fighting continues around the town centre and the Ukrainian defence remains at risk from envelopment from the north and south.
However, there is a realistic possibility that the Russian assault on the town is losing the limited momentum it had obtained, partially because some Russian MoD units have been reallocated to other sectors.
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 6:37 am
Posted on 3/22/23 at 6:59 am to cypher
Posted on 3/22/23 at 7:02 am to cypher
IT'S FINALLY HAPPENING!
In seeing all of the old T-62 tanks that Russia has been putting on the battlefield, a number of people have wondered if Russia might get so desperate as to use T-54/T-55s, which were first manufactured in 1948.
Well, now you can wonder no longer. Here's the video of them on a train in Eastern Russia, heading west.
This is the tank that the Soviet Union used in Hungary to put down the 1956 revolution.
Here's the original report:
It's possible, of course, that these tanks could be used for something other than fighting in Ukraine (maybe some elementary training of Russian tankers). We'll have to see if they actually end up on the battlefield.
Yes, it's true that Ukraine is already using a variant of the T-55, but this is instead a very deeply upgraded and modernized tank, not much resembling the original.
In seeing all of the old T-62 tanks that Russia has been putting on the battlefield, a number of people have wondered if Russia might get so desperate as to use T-54/T-55s, which were first manufactured in 1948.
Well, now you can wonder no longer. Here's the video of them on a train in Eastern Russia, heading west.
This is the tank that the Soviet Union used in Hungary to put down the 1956 revolution.
Here's the original report:
quote:
The filmed train has recently departed from the town of Arsenyev, Primorsky region, where the 1295th Central Tank Repair and Storage Base is located. We had already documented shipments of military vehicles from that base: for example, in October, in Yekaterinburg, a train carrying T-62M(V) tanks was captured on video, and the point of departure of the train was also Arsenyev. Note that deployment and use of T-62 tanks by the Russian Armed Forces during the current invasion has been documented since the summer of 2022, but it is the first recorded instance of T-54/55 tanks withdrawal from storage.
It's possible, of course, that these tanks could be used for something other than fighting in Ukraine (maybe some elementary training of Russian tankers). We'll have to see if they actually end up on the battlefield.
Yes, it's true that Ukraine is already using a variant of the T-55, but this is instead a very deeply upgraded and modernized tank, not much resembling the original.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 7:02 am to cypher
Posted on 3/22/23 at 7:36 am to CitizenK
There has to be some equipment left over from the Tzar’s army in storage somewhere. The Russians are apparently pathological hoarders.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 7:37 am to GOP_Tiger
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Russia might get so desperate as to use T-54/T-55s
according to a quick search, the T-54/T-55 is a 36 ton tank with a 100mm rifled barrel.
100mm would be a different ammo size then anything else they are using (t-64 is 125mm). if russia is short of artillery rounds, the can use these tanks as a poor man's mobile artillery and deplete stocks of 100mm ammo.
the AMX-10 has a 105mm barrel...
Posted on 3/22/23 at 7:39 am to CitizenK
It will be interesting to see if they show up on the battlefield or if they send them elsewhere to free up more modern tanks to send to the front.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 7:46 am to TBoy
T55s can probably be breached by a .50 cal sniper rifle, much less som variants of the more common infantry weapons.
If they try to do anything outside of use the T55s as a dig in mobile gun to stabilize their front lines, we are going to see a mass slaughter of these antiques.
This does then bring the question of if they are brining T55s out of mothballs, even as a contingency, do they have to enough armor to withstand any form of Major counter attack by Ukraine? As it is, the newest tanks severely out class whatever generation of tanks RU has on the field. If they are resorting to T55s, do they even have enough “modern” tanks to even withstand a counter offensive by the current Ukrainian armor?
If they try to do anything outside of use the T55s as a dig in mobile gun to stabilize their front lines, we are going to see a mass slaughter of these antiques.
This does then bring the question of if they are brining T55s out of mothballs, even as a contingency, do they have to enough armor to withstand any form of Major counter attack by Ukraine? As it is, the newest tanks severely out class whatever generation of tanks RU has on the field. If they are resorting to T55s, do they even have enough “modern” tanks to even withstand a counter offensive by the current Ukrainian armor?
Posted on 3/22/23 at 8:11 am to tigeraddict
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if russia is short of artillery rounds, the can use these tanks as a poor man's mobile artillery and deplete stocks of 100mm ammo
From a lot of stuff we've seen in this war, the Russians are so bad at combined arms tactics and got chewed up by anti-tank weapons early on that across much of the fighting they already have been pulling back their tanks and using them as atillery support.
Most of the footage I've seen lately of any tanks in Ukraine, they have been parked in a tree line firing, doing mop up in villages, or getting destroyed out in the open. Both sides defenses for tanks and aircraft (especially aircraft) have made it very dangerous to expose either of these high-value assets for very long.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 9:42 am to GOP_Tiger
I am seeing some speculation on pro-Russian accounts that this is less about a tank shortage and more about the lack of artillery shells. One account pointed out that Russia hasn't touched whatever stocks of 100mm ammo that they have, and there are locations where the T-55s could be used in indirect-fire mode as a poor-man's SPG.
We know that Russia did this for a while with their T-72s, until they wore out too many barrels and probably started to run low on 125mm ammo. But unlike the T-72s, these ancient tanks have little value "as tanks," so they can simply be viewed as disposable.
Hmm. This article says that the T-55 would have a 14.7 km range with indirect fire.
We know that Russia did this for a while with their T-72s, until they wore out too many barrels and probably started to run low on 125mm ammo. But unlike the T-72s, these ancient tanks have little value "as tanks," so they can simply be viewed as disposable.
Hmm. This article says that the T-55 would have a 14.7 km range with indirect fire.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:28 am to GOP_Tiger
The only problem with their plan is that tanks are shitty alternatives to howitzers if that is the role they really plan to use them then they are big, big trouble. You’d have a better chance of bringing Stalin back from the dead than actually hitting a target several km away like a typical artillery piece would be used for. If they really intend to use them in tank on tank warfare whichever crews draw the unlucky straw to operate them has to feel like they are in a rolling coffin.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:34 am to LSUPilot07
If I remember correctly, in order to use a tank as indirect fire, you have to use some sort of device on the breech to calculate the elevation of the gun tube.
You would then get ordered to have your gun tube at a specific elevation that was calculated by the Master Gunner to be able to hit the intended targets.
A lot of variables and opportunities for human error which obviously make it less than ideal.
You would then get ordered to have your gun tube at a specific elevation that was calculated by the Master Gunner to be able to hit the intended targets.
A lot of variables and opportunities for human error which obviously make it less than ideal.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:35 am to LSUPilot07
Appears James Vazquez has been outed as a LARPer on Twitter now and has deleted his account. Seems he made claims to be under contract with a branch/element of UA that does not have contracted workers. Apparently UA soldiers had been outing him and it’s taken on a larger spotlight.
Not going to go digging deep into the drama, but felt I should share if any of us were following him. I followed the account but sort of found it odd he could post on Twitter so much from the front etc.
Not going to go digging deep into the drama, but felt I should share if any of us were following him. I followed the account but sort of found it odd he could post on Twitter so much from the front etc.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:37 am to DabosDynasty
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I followed the account but sort of found it odd he could post on Twitter so much from the front etc.
So the accusations are that his videos are staged? That's high production value.
ETA: Or he's shooting video well behind where the fighting is taking place and never really hanging by the front?
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 10:40 am
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:38 am to DabosDynasty
Lol not surprised. No serious soldier would have their damn phone on the frontlines.
Dude secured the bag with the donations though
Dude secured the bag with the donations though
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:40 am to facher08
I guess potentially. More what I saw was that it appears he was there, but not as a contracted soldier and potentially not actually fighting. The current ruckus is that he was there grifting, albeit seemingly very riskily by being so close with the front. Seems like he was essentially acting as a front lines media member, in a sense, but passing off as though he was legitimately a contracted member of a branch of UA.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 10:42 am to LSUPilot07
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You’d have a better chance of bringing Stalin back from the dead than actually hitting a target several km away like a typical artillery piece would be used for.
I'm not sure how carefully it would actually be aimed at an individual target. You could just use a number of them in an area to basically lay down some suppressive fire and cause destruction.
For example, if Russia wanted to use them to finish leveling central Bakhmut to remove defensible positions for Ukraine, you could just put 15 of these firing nonstop into that general area of the city.
I mean, if this indeed how Russia plans to use them, then I agree that their impact is likely to be minor, and it likely signals that the ammo shortage is even worse than we thought.
Whatever Russia is using these T-55s for, it's a sign of Russian weakness.
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