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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:53 am to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:53 am to
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But of course, Russia is supposedly fighting to protect Christian family values.

Of course, that and the Nazis, the Glibalists, and the Bio terror labs. They are Christian people doing the Lord’s work.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:12 am to
Politico reporter:

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DOD is aiming to deliver the Abrams to Ukraine by fall 2023, defense official tells me
Posted by Lakeboy7
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 11:35 am to
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Not the tank, but it’s less glamorous cousin—the infantry fighting vehicle (IFV)—was at the top of its weapons wish list.


HIMARS gets the glory, and the 155s pound away but the piece of equipment that gets highly praised on the actual battlefield?

The M113, the Ukrainians love them.
Posted by tigeraddict
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 11:40 am to
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The M113, the Ukrainians love them.


i would image they love anything that wasnt made in the USSR or Russia.....

Western Equipment is not on the same playing field as the Russian equivalent

Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 12:47 pm to
https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1637877591041343488

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Few updates and summarized thoughts on the frontline.

1/ The russian military continues to deploy fresh personnel and equipment across the frontlines, primarily for the purpose of replacing losses. However, it seems that their combat value continuous to decrease



2/ The formation of assault groups by Russian forces suggests a persistent demand for further assaults. However, it is observed that many of these groups lack experienced or motivated personnel to effectively operate on the battlefield.

3/ This indicates a persistent disparity in situational understanding between the military on the ground and the political leadership.

4/ The enemy has established an echelon-like organizational structure to sustain their offensives, which allows them to effectively rotate their troops. However, it is noteworthy that the number of combat-ready equipment at their disposal is gradually decreasing.

5/ Unless other countries, such as China, agree to provide or sell weapons and ammo in large quantities, I doubt that Russia will be able to restore its capabilities to perform coordinated large-scale operations on an operational or strategic level in the foreseeable future.

6/ The forthcoming stage of the battle for Bakhmut is likely to unfold soon.



7/ Update on the emergency beacon. After discussions, we are starting to think that beacons are unlikely to be used for targeting, but rather were a result of the unskillful attempt to attach the beacon to the drone. The beacon was likely used to track the drone




Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 1:34 pm to
Mark Urban, editor for BBC News, has a very important Twitter thread:

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The most important single factor in feeding the Ukraine war is the supply of artillery ammunition (nb 152mm and 122mm for RU, those plus 155mm and 105mm for UA). I am now thinking Ukraine will get what it needs. The figures are mind boggling... 1/

In the run up to EU meetings this week @oleksiireznikov told European ministers Ukraine needs 350,000 rounds a month to sustain operations, of which 120k are rounds of 155mm needed for western supplied artillery (1.44m a year). Without that things slow right down. Now we know 2/

That EU ministers have agreed an 'ambition' to provide 1m rounds of 155mm in the next 12 months, with some combination of stripping their existing stocks (frankly I didn't think they had 1m...) and making new ones 3/

While there are some doubts about the exact sequencing of this EU supply, ie how much will be got to Ukraine in the next 2-3 key months, we also now know that a package announced by the US on 24/2 involves an additional 1 million 155mm rounds 4/

The US already sent 1.1m during the first year of the war &, since it can't scale up production fast enough, is having to run down stocks pre-positioned in places like Israel & South Korea (a risk, clearly). The other 230k needed each month includes mortars, rockets etc 5/

So what about Russia? Early on in the war I heard estimates they had a stockpile of 16m artillery rounds & rockets. Usage in the first year may have been 6-7m but despite the apparent surplus western officials are cagey about what RU has left 6/

One western expert told me 'we don't know, because the Russians themselves don't know' how many million shells are still in storage. He added that many of their stocks may be decades old and unusable. What seems clear is that... 7/

Russian hopes of buying large amounts of artillery ammo from North Korea or China have not (yet) materialised. "We don't see evidence" of Chinese weapons supply, one western official said today. And we know Wagner & others have grumbled about low supply of ammo 8/

But I think the salient conclusion is that while Russia *may well* have enough shells for the months ahead, we have sufficient transparency on the western picture to know that the US and EU are gearing up to send huge stocks incl 2m 155mm shells to Ukraine this year 9/END



So, the US package last month actually included 1 million 155 shells. Europe is going to get about 500,000 for Ukraine now, and another 500,000 for later in the year. The UK is helping coordinate 152mm shell purchases and deliveries.

Mark Urban thinks that Ukraine may be set on ammo. I agree. They have what they need for the spring offensive and aren't going to run out anytime soon.

I also liked his quote about Russian ammo stocks that says that we don't know because Russia doesn't know -- I feel sure that is correct.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 2:39 pm to
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The upcoming Ukrainian offensive will be strategically critical and potentially decisive.


So when do people think upcoming arrives? Is April still too soon?
Posted by jfan244888
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Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 3:12 pm to
Im thinking June.


But with Bahkmut and another city in a salient maybe they start sooner to relieve pressure on their forces?
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 3:13 pm
Posted by tigeraddict
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Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 3:14 pm to
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So when do people think upcoming arrives? Is April still too soon?


will depend on t weather (end of mud season) and delivery of equipment and ammo for the west, and how effective they are from now to Go time on interdicting russian supply lines. IMO the earlier they can launch the better. the longer give russia time to move troops around.
Posted by jfan244888
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Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 3:16 pm to
Also the UK DU armor must be true as the Russians are now complaining LINK

Guess they'll blowing up more apartment buildings now.
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 3:17 pm
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 3:24 pm to




Heating up. Whether false flag sort of deal or not, probably doesn’t matter. Heating up.
Posted by notiger1997
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Member since May 2009
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 3:37 pm to
Explain it to me in simple geopolitical terms what it means if this area were to fire up with a war?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 3:48 pm to
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will depend on t weather (end of mud season) and delivery of equipment and ammo for the west, and how effective they are from now to Go time on interdicting russian supply lines. IMO the earlier they can launch the better. the longer give russia time to move troops around.


I have bounced back and forth. On the one hand, we know that lots of promised Western equipment may not arrive for a bit. The 100 Leopard 1 tanks, for example won't start arriving until June (they still need refurbishment).

But I think that the political imperative is critical. Ukraine cannot wait too long for a victory. It's interesting, because the political imperative caused Russia to begin its offensive too early, before they had truly prepared for it, and it has resulted in the failure of that offensive.

I don't think Zelensky will force the start of the offensive before Ukraine is ready, and I think that they will basically be ready by mid-April, when the ground should be dry enough. The Ukrainians training on Leopards in Spain finished last week, those in the UK training on Challengers are finishing up now, etc. The German Marders are arriving in Ukraine now, Norway announced its Leopard deliveries yesterday -- I think that, by the end of this month, Ukraine will basically have most of the big deliveries.

So, my guess is that the offensive starts between mid-April and mid-May.
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 3:51 pm to
It seems that Vuhledar has become a massive Russian graveyard, moreover they are massively losing their elite troops. Airburst arty is incredibly deadly, if it's anywhere remotely near you, you're just done.

This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 4:08 pm
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 3:55 pm to
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Explain it to me in simple geopolitical terms what it means if this area were to fire up with a war?


Certainly welcome more knowledgeable input, but:

Russia and Iran support Armenia, Iran of course has been supporting Russia in the current Russia/Ukraine war

Israel supports Azerbaijan

Israel and Iran are obviously enemies of their own that are continuing to grow friction.

We obviously greatly support Israel.

Just another flashpoint in the same general region of a major conflict, but adds much more complexity in alliance entanglement.

I’m not a ME expert, but I would imagine other ME nations have an interest in one side or the other. Turkey also supports Azerbaijan as well.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 4:06 pm to
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I don't think Zelensky will force the start of the offensive before Ukraine is ready, and I think that they will basically be ready by mid-April


Agreed. If the reports are to be believed, wargaming with the US helped dissuade Ukraine from trying to drive south last fall, and it’s hard to argue with the results of Ukraine’s actions in Kherson and the east last fall. And the continued defense of Bakhmut seems to have been the right call at the moment.

So not a lot of strategic missteps at this point, and hopefully that continues with the upcoming when where and how decisions.

And whenever Ukraine does launch its offensive, it will do so knowing far more about Russia capabilities than Russia will know about Ukraine’s capabilities. I think ultimately that intelligence disparity will be determinative.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 4:13 pm to
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Certainly welcome more knowledgeable input, but:

Russia and Iran support Armenia, Iran of course has been supporting Russia in the current Russia/Ukraine war

Israel supports Azerbaijan

Israel and Iran are obviously enemies of their own that are continuing to grow friction.

We obviously greatly support Israel.

Just another flashpoint in the same general region of a major conflict, but adds much more complexity in alliance entanglement.

I’m not a ME expert, but I would imagine other ME nations have an interest in one side or the other. Turkey also supports Azerbaijan as well.


Iran and Turkey are rivals for influence in the Middle East. Israel and Turkey have been allies of sorts. Bayraktar TB2 technology was sold to Turkey by Israel over a decade ago.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 3/21/23 at 4:23 pm to
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Also the UK DU armor must be true as the Russians are now complaining LINK

Guess they'll blowing up more apartment buildings now


Meh they've been saying "Don't do that as we will consider any DU ammunition a dirty bomb!" since late January

Russia says it will consider the deployment of German Leopard 2 tanks as the use of a nuclear 'dirty bomb' if they use shells containing uranium core



Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13091 posts
Posted on 3/21/23 at 5:23 pm to
I have seen you post this contention repeatedly about Israel selling the Bayraktar technology to Turkey.
However much of this technology was developed by a Turk, educated at MIT, who married well into the Turkish elites.
What sort of technology do you contend was sold to Turkey by Israel?
Thanks.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15688 posts
Posted on 3/21/23 at 5:26 pm to
The drone technology per a friend in the geopolitical know about almost everything Israel. He said that this occurred in 2007
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