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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/21/23 at 5:44 pm to DabosDynasty
Posted on 3/21/23 at 5:44 pm to DabosDynasty
Turkey is a huge supporter of Azerbaijan. Furnished the drones that turned the tide in the fighting of the last couple of years. Turkey also sent Muslim fighters in from Syria to support Azerbaijan. The fighting over the last 2-3 years resulted in a pretty overwhelming Azerbaijan victory and it taking back territory that had been occupied by Armenia. Armenia and Azerbaijan have fought over Nagorno-Karabakh for years. That area was another example of Stalin creating borders that intenionally created conflicts and strife. He was known for this policy. He also moved ethnic groups into other regions to promote this a!so. Have them fight among themselves instead of opposing Stalin's rule. Russian "peacekeeping" forces were sent in and stationed on Armenia's border. It is a nasty little war with alot of bad stuff happening there.
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 3/21/23 at 6:12 pm to DabosDynasty
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Russia and Iran support Armenia, Iran of course has been supporting Russia in the current Russia/Ukraine war
Israel supports Azerbaijan
After the breakup of the Soviet Union in 1990, Azerbaijan and Armenia fought a brutal war over the region of Nagoro-Karabagh, which was and is full of ethnic Armenians, but is legally part of Azerbaijan.
Due to military incompetence of the new Azeri army, the Armenians won, and they declared the Nogorno-Karabagh to be the independent nation of Artsakh.
Armenia is a democracy, and there are millions of Armenians in the US (the Kardashians, Cher, ESPN reporter Tim Kurkjian come to mind), so Armenia would have preferred to ally itself with the West, but Armenia is a poor, landlocked, mountainous country, and Azerbaijan became a petro-state, with vast oil resources on the flat part of the country and offshore in the Caspian Sea.
And because all of the oil and gas in the Caspian Sea led to Azerbaijan having disputes with Russia and Iran about those resources, Azerbaijan ended up becoming an enemy of Russia and Iran, and that's why it ended up becoming an ally of the West, even though it's a Muslim country ruled by a dictator.
Also, even before the 1990 war, there was a large Soviet base in Armenia near the Turkish border, and that stayed as a Russian base after the breakup of the Soviet Union. And Turkey is not only in NATO, it is also composed of the same ethnicity as in Azerbaijan. Azeris and Turks basically speak the same language and generally think of themselves as one people.
So, that's how Armenia ended up as a poor, client state that depended on Russia for its security, and Azerbaijan ended up as a rich country that ended up as an ally of Israel and the US. Azerbaijan even has the all Jewish town of Krasnaya Sloboda, one of the such places left in the world, and certainly the only one left of such a size in any Muslim country.
So for 30 years, instead of negotiating a peace with Azerbaijan, Armenia simply held on to Nagorno-Karabagh due to the Russian promise that Russia would not allow Azerbaijan to recapture the territory.
This was ultimately stupid. In 2020, Azerbaijan attacked, and Russian support for Armenia did not stop Azerbaijan from capturing the strategic hills of Shusha. Armenia made concessions to Azerbaijan, and a new ceasefire was declared, with Russian peacekeepers preserving the open Lachin Corridor to connect Karabagh to the rest of Armenia.
But now, Azerbaijan is attacking again, and there aren't many Russian peacekeepers there, because Russia is rather preoccupied at the moment with another conflict. So, Armenia is paying a very high price for trusting Russia with its security.
Meanwhile, the first tanker from Kazakhstan is crossing the Caspian Sea to connect with oil pipelines in Azerbaijan -- bypassing Russia.
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 3/21/23 at 7:36 pm to GOP_Tiger
Thank you, interesting to get the low down behind the current flare up, though think you may be off with this bit.
Per Wikipedia the GDP spend militarily of Azerbaijan vs Armenia is $3 Billion (5.48% GDP) to $1.3 Billion (6.12% GDP).
Wikipedia - Azerbaijani armed forces
Wikipedia - Armed forces of Armenia
Still a significant difference but not quite to the level you mentioned, where did you get that figure?
Edit: Clarity.
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The military budget of Azerbaijan is larger than the entire GDP of Armenia.
Per Wikipedia the GDP spend militarily of Azerbaijan vs Armenia is $3 Billion (5.48% GDP) to $1.3 Billion (6.12% GDP).
Wikipedia - Azerbaijani armed forces
Wikipedia - Armed forces of Armenia
Still a significant difference but not quite to the level you mentioned, where did you get that figure?
Edit: Clarity.
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 3/21/23 at 7:44 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Azerbaijan became a petro-state,
One of the largest oil fields in the Caucuses that Hitler went after are located in Azerbaijan at Backu.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:05 pm to GOP_Tiger
DAILY BAKHMUT UPDATE:
From @War_Mapper:
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The pro-Russian @Suriyakmaps claims several small Russian gains. In the north of the city,
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From @NOELreports:
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From @HeliosRunner:
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The report from @HeliosRunner appears to me to perhaps be overoptimistic, but I absolutely do believe that Ukraine is executing a local counteroffensive to roll back Wagner in the areas south of Bakhmut. Others have reported Ukrainian gains in those areas in the last two days, so the report from @HeliosRunner would be the next step.
Russian logistics in that area has to go through a muddy area, and Ukraine is attacking from the high ground.
[EDIT] ISW:
From @War_Mapper:
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There have been no confirmed changes to control since the last update.
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The pro-Russian @Suriyakmaps claims several small Russian gains. In the north of the city,
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RussianArmy took control over stroydetal building and began storming Press and Grinder building inside AZOM industrial complex.
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Situation south of Bakhmut city:
During the last hours #RussianArmy made new advances in Samolet, Sobachivka and Budenivka districts (this last one almost taken by Russians).
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From @NOELreports:
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In central Bakhmut, no known changes. Fighting continues around the Mig-17 memorial and east of the Damba reservoir. Military observer Alexander Kovalenko said that Russia has lost the initiative near Ivanivske and that the progress of Russians towards Bakhmut center is stalling.
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From @HeliosRunner:
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Now Ukr also confirms that Wagner is indeed making slow but incremental progress on the north part of the city itself, in the industrial zone (Ukr cannot compete there, bc lack of arty in volume & "humpf" & also lots of men there.
But what we also learned is that Ru failed all attempts to go across the river as they were "punished" strongly every single time they tried
also HUGE news now... : yes Ru were kicked out of the south part (maybe up to 2km away from Mig17 monument) to the outskirt & TOTALLY out of the forest itself!! back in the field out there!
that's a HUGE relief for UKR defenders today as we speak! (& not the last surprise to come.
last but not least : Ru "regular" troops were also ousted from the forest in the area between #Ivaniske & #ChassivYar and only small groups of wandering zombies are deambulating in the area right now, but nothing of a real danger as we speak !
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The report from @HeliosRunner appears to me to perhaps be overoptimistic, but I absolutely do believe that Ukraine is executing a local counteroffensive to roll back Wagner in the areas south of Bakhmut. Others have reported Ukrainian gains in those areas in the last two days, so the report from @HeliosRunner would be the next step.
Russian logistics in that area has to go through a muddy area, and Ukraine is attacking from the high ground.
[EDIT] ISW:
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Russian forces did not make any confirmed gains in or around Bakhmut on March 21
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:05 pm to GOP_Tiger
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GOP_Tiger
Thanks for the additional background
Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:14 pm to OutsideObserver
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Per Wikipedia the GDP spend militarily of Azerbaijan vs Armenia is $3 Billion (5.48% GDP) to $1.3 Billion (6.12% GDP).
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Still a significant difference but not quite to the level you mentioned, where did you get that figure?
I read it a while back. You right that this statement is definitely not true since the war started back up in 2020, so I just edited deleted that bit. Thanks.
Armenia has more than doubled its military budget since the start of the war, but it's far too little, too late, as they've been massively outspent for 30 years, as Azerbaijan has built up its forces.
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:40 pm to GOP_Tiger
LINK
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Four top Senate and House Republicans are demanding that the Biden administration send cluster munitions to Ukraine, a weapon that Kyiv has long sought to blunt Russian numerical superiority on the battlefield, but the U.S. has refused to export.
The U.S. has denied requests to send the munitions to Ukraine since the start of the war a year ago, keeping with Washington’s aversion to firing the artillery-fired bomblets since American forces last used them during the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
“We write to urge you to immediately provide cluster munitions, such as dual purpose improved conventional munitions (DPICM), to the Ukrainian Armed forces,” Sens. Jim Risch and Roger Wicker, the top Republicans on the Foreign Relations and Armed Services committees, along with Reps. Michael McCaul and Mike Rogers, chairs of the House’s Foreign Relations and Armed Services committees, write in the letter viewed by POLITICO.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:03 pm to AU86
isw
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Russian President Vladimir Putin appears to be setting conditions to weaponize the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) as a method of Russian power projection in advance of Russia’s accession to the rotating UNSC presidency in April. Russian UN Ambassador Vasily Nebenzya stated during a press conference on March 21 that Russia plans to hold an informal UNSC meeting in early April to discuss the “real situation” of “Ukrainian children taken to Russia.”[1] Nebenzya claimed that Russia planned to hold the meeting before the announcement of the International Criminal Court’s (ICC) arrest warrants for Putin and Russian Commissioner on Children’s Rights Maria Lvova-Belova for the deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia.[2] Nebenzya’s announcement, as well as vitriolic denials of the ICC’s accusations by Russian officials, come as Kremlin-appointed occupation officials continue to facilitate the deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia under a variety of schemes and guises.[3] Putin additionally made a number of notable comments proclaiming Russia’s commitment to the UN, UNSC, and the UN charter during his press conference with Chinese President Xi Jinping on March 21.[4] Taken in tandem, Nebenzya’s and Putin’s comments suggest that Russia continues to use its position on the UNSC as a base of power projection as the UNSC prepares for Russia to take the UNSC presidency in April.[5] By setting information conditions to posture about Russia’s supposed commitment to the UNSC, Putin is positioning himself to continue to weaponize and exploit Russia’s UNSC veto power in the coming months.
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The second day of Chinese President Xi Jinping’s visit with Russian President Vladimir Putin continued to suggest that Putin has not been able to secure the no-limits bilateral partnership with China that he likely hoped for. Putin and Xi signed a “Joint Statement by the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China on Deepening Comprehensive Partnership and Strategic Cooperation, Entering a New Era” on March 21, which stressed that Russian–Chinese relations are comprehensive, strategic, and at the highest level in history.[6] The Joint Statement outlines a variety of bilateral intentions and affirms the commitment of Russia and China to each other’s state sovereignty and territorial integrity, among other diplomatic promises.[7] The commitments made by Xi and Putin were notably lopsided, however, indicating that Xi is agreeing to a more reserved version of Russian–Chinese relations than Putin likely desires, as ISW observed on March 20.[8] Xi praised Putin, reaffirmed China’s commitment to Russia in the UNSC, and amplified China’s position on a political settlement of the war in Ukraine; but Xi did not go much further than offering those statements.[9] Putin, by contrast, announced a number of measures that signal Russia’s continued orientation towards and dependence on China in the energy and economic sectors, which appear very one-sided compared to Xi’s relatively tempered commitments.[10] Xi additionally did not signal an intent to provide support for Russia’s war in Ukraine beyond vague diplomatic assurances, which is likely a step down from what Putin hoped to secure in negotiations. Putin has likely failed to secure the exact sort of partnership that he needs and desires, and Xi will likely leave Moscow having secured assurances that are more one-sided than Putin intended them to be. Putin observed that Russia and China had “a very substantiative and candid exchange of views” on the prospects for the further development of the Russian-Chinese relations. Such rhetoric notably lacks the language normally used in diplomatic readouts to indicate that the two parties have come to definitive and substantive agreements.
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Putin portrayed the Western provision of depleted uranium ammunition to Ukraine as a significant escalation in order to bolster information operations aiming to deter Western security assistance to Ukraine and to place the onus for negotiations on the West. Putin claimed on March 21, while discussing the Chinese peace plan, that the West is beginning to use weapons with a “nuclear” component in a response to the UK’s announcement that it would provide Ukraine with shells with depleted uranium.[11] Putin claimed that the UK’s provision of depleted uranium shells indicated that the West is not ready for a “peaceful settlement."[12] Anti-tank munitions in the West are commonly made of depleted uranium—that is, uranium that is less radioactive than natural uranium—due to its high density and the penetrative effect it generates. Such munitions cannot be used to produce either nuclear or radiological weapons. Putin seeks to portray the provision of depleted uranium shells as escalatory in order to deter Western security assistance despite the shells not containing any fissile or radiological material.
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The Wagner Group may lose most of its convict force in the upcoming weeks as convicts finish their six-month military contracts. The UK Ministry of Defense (MoD) assessed that thousands of Wagner convicts who were recruited during fall 2022 will be pardoned and released, given that Wagner appears to be sticking to its promise of releasing convicts after six months of service.[13] The UK MoD forecasted that the exodus of convict forces would worsen Wagner personnel shortages as the Kremlin has also blocked Wagner from recruiting additional prisoners. The Kremlin had previously confirmed on January 27 that Russian President Vladimir Putin is issuing preemptive pardon for convicts who serve in Russian combat operations in Ukraine.[14] The Kremlin’s announcement aligns with the ISW-established timeline of Putin’s decision to completely distance himself from Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin following the fall of Soledar, Donetsk Oblast, on January 12–13.[15] The Kremlin had likely deliberately authorized publicization of pre-emptive pardons to incentivize more Wagner convicts to leave following the expiration of their contracts to further erode the Wagner force. Prigozhin has developed a brand consistently mocking the Russian MoD for its disregard for the troops’ wellbeing and is unlikely to anger a convict force by retaining them on the frontlines past the expiration of their contracts.
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The Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) and the Russian National Guard (Rosgvardia) launched a criminal investigation into the Deputy Commander of the Rosgvardia’s Central District, Major General Vadim Dragomiretsky on March 20.[16] Russian State Duma Parliamentarian Aleksandr Khinshtein stated that Dragomiretsky is suspected of receiving multimillion dollar bribes and abusing his power and will face subsequent dismissal from his position. Khinshtein said that officials forced Dragomiretsky to admit his guilt in a written confession. Dragomiretsky was suspected of having received bribes from a contractor who reconstructed a military unit in the Moscow Oblast.[17] The accusations follow Russian President Vladimir Putin’s bill on March 18 that increased fines and jailtime for the misappropriation of Russian military assets.[18] Khinshtein stated that the Rosgvardia leadership’s investigation proves its dedication to “purifying their ranks.“ The Kremlin may use the premise of misappropriation of military funds to oust officials who have fallen out of favor.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:03 pm to StormyMcMan
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The US Department of Defense (DoD) announced on March 20 that it authorized a presidential drawdown to provide an additional $350 million of security assistance to Ukraine.[19] The DoD stated that the package will include ammunition for HIMARS, 155mm artillery rounds, HARMs missiles, and other critical military equipment
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Key Takeaways
Russian President Vladimir Putin appears to be setting conditions to weaponize the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) as a method of Russian power projection in advance of Russia’s accession to the rotating UNSC presidency in April.
The readouts of the second day of Chinese President Xi Jinping’s visit with Russian President Vladimir Putin continued to suggest that Putin has not been able to secure the no-limits bilateral partnership with China that he likely hoped for.
Putin falsely portrayed the Western provision of depleted uranium ammunition (not suitable for use in nuclear or radiological weapons) to Ukraine as a significant escalation in order to bolster information operations aiming to deter Western security assistance to Ukraine and to place the onus for negotiations on the West.
Wagner Group may lose most of its convict force in the upcoming weeks as convicts finish their six-month military contracts.
The Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) and the Russian National Guard (Rosgvardia) launched a criminal investigation into the Deputy Commander of the Rosgvardia’s Central District, Major General Vadim Dragomiretsky.
The US Department of Defense (DoD) announced that it authorized a presidential drawdown to provide around $350 million of security assistance to Ukraine.
Russian forces continued limited offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line.
Russian forces did not make any confirmed gains in or around Bakhmut and continued offensive operations along the outskirts of Donetsk City.
The Kremlin continues crypto mobilization campaigns to recruit men across Russia for contract service to avoid declaring second mobilization wave.
Russian occupation officials continue to facilitate the deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:03 pm to GOP_Tiger
From ISW:
This is yet another reason for Ukraine to continue to believe they can hold Bakhmut. Wagner is going to get thinned out as its remaining convicts leave and get their pardons.
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The Wagner Group may lose most of its convict force in the upcoming weeks as convicts finish their six-month military contracts. The UK Ministry of Defense (MoD) assessed that thousands of Wagner convicts who were recruited during fall 2022 will be pardoned and released, given that Wagner appears to be sticking to its promise of releasing convicts after six months of service
This is yet another reason for Ukraine to continue to believe they can hold Bakhmut. Wagner is going to get thinned out as its remaining convicts leave and get their pardons.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:16 pm to GOP_Tiger
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convict force in the upcoming weeks as convicts finish their six-month military contracts.
Hello crime wave.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 9:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
I'm rather surprised they're not pulling a bait and switch on these convicts.
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:16 pm to Jim Rockford
Honor among thieves.
Would you want thousands of rogue convicts with nothing to lose running amok in your trenches cause they didn't get released timely?
Not even Wagner wants that smoke.
Would you want thousands of rogue convicts with nothing to lose running amok in your trenches cause they didn't get released timely?
Not even Wagner wants that smoke.
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:35 pm to jfan244888
The Russian people are going to pay a steep price for this. How long will it take before we're hearing about a crime wave from these returning pardoned criminals?
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 3/21/23 at 10:57 pm to Chromdome35
Russia is basically a mob run state so everyone is a criminal really
Posted on 3/21/23 at 11:41 pm to Chromdome35
That Russian convict ptsd gonna hit different. I can already picture Ivan walking through a park, and some kid starts flying his new drone. 
Posted on 3/21/23 at 11:53 pm to PhilipMarlowe
And unlike the west will be no help available. Your help will be more shots of Smirnoff.
This post was edited on 3/21/23 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 3/21/23 at 11:59 pm to jfan244888
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@ChrisO_wiki
1/ The Russian Ministry of Defence is reportedly coercing convicts to join the Russian army by threatening them with being incarcerated alongside men who are available to be raped, regarded as untouchables in Russian prison culture. ??
Nice. Sign up or get branded as a chomo
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