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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:22 am to
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:22 am to
Just looking at the Russian loss of working age men is really horrifying.

Suppse they "win" by annexation of Crimea and some parts of Eastern Ukraine. It's a pyrrhic victory.

As a nation you would have been so much better off demographically and therefore economically in the long run without the provinces but with hundreds of thousands more men working, having children and families.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:27 am to
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Putin has so far avoided a lot of public distress by using volunteers, convicts and minorities.
The fact that Putin still has not started the much-discussed second mobilization points to the fact that he is very concerned about the reaction to this move. Maybe too concerned.

I personally don't understand what he's worried about. Other than the unpleasantness in 1917, the Russian people have historically demonstrated their total lack of agency every chance they get. I mean, how many riots broke out after the much-delayed first mobilization was finally announced? Yeah, none.

Putin's continued delays of starting the second mobilization are so surprising that some commentators are suggesting that the Ukrainian Army is purposefully making the Wagner / Russian troops look good at Bahkmut to try to convince Putin that the mobilization is not needed. Giving them the rope-a-dope. That's rediculous of course, but it does show that everyone is pleasantly surprised at yet another of Putin's mistakes.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:33 am to
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I mean, how many riots broke out after the much-delayed first mobilization was finally announced? Yeah, none.


To be fair there were protests where the protestors were subsequently conscripted for participating
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:38 am to
From former USAF meteorologist David Helms:



The warm winter meant that no big winter offensive was ever possible for Ukrainian forces in the northeast. Even now, the ground is not frozen nearly deep enough for tanks. Russia's offensive there now is not going to involve tanks roaming at will.

LINK
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:50 am to
Wagner's Grey Zone Telegram channel is not happy about the losses in Vuhledar:


Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:26 pm to
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You believe the CNN and other TV media casualty reports. And anything the Biden administration says


My least favorite part of the anti-Ukraine/pro-Russia crowd hopping over from the PT board to discuss this war is the straw man where they assume the OT has the political makeup of Reddit.

It’s like they hear prog-speak in MSM and other social media, and instead of engaging them on their platforms they come over to the also right leaning OT and just start sky screaming here.

No one in this thread is sourcing CNN, and if you plant a post that just says “Biden sucks” it will be nothing but upvoted in the front page of the OT. You won’t find anyone on the OT arguing that there are 11 genders or that dudes should be allowed in women’s sports.
Posted by facher08
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:39 pm to
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My least favorite part of the anti-Ukraine/pro-Russia crowd hopping over from the PT board to discuss this war is the straw man where they assume the OT has the political makeup of Reddit.


It's the childish name calling and passive aggressive dismissals that really hurt their credibility off the bat for me.

For example: the "bama"user guy from a couple pages back posts the Ron Paul take. tigeraddict responds with a rational, well thought out response and bama's response to that is, "Sure Jan". Not a bit of an attempt at civil discourse. Many of them only know how to bomb throw and lack any critical thinking skills.
Posted by Athanatos
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:43 pm to


So, apparently this is a recent photo from Vuhledar. What’s the rationale behind bunching up like a school of fish. I’m certainly no tactician, but I thought they fanned out when contact with the enemy was made.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:48 pm to
Maybe a cleared lane through a minefield or maybe just bad tactics
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 1:31 pm to
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The Italian Defense Minister has stated that they now believe that a Major Russian Offensive will begin in days instead of weeks.

This is further Evidence to me that the Offensive we are currently seeing near Kreminna is just a Holding-Operation to prevent Ukrainian Forces from moving South or North for a Russian Offensive possibly there.


LINK

Posted by LeClerc
USVI
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 1:44 pm to
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Putin's continued delays of starting the second mobilization are so surprising that some commentators are suggesting that the Ukrainian Army is purposefully making the Wagner / Russian troops look good at Bahkmut to try to convince Putin that the mobilization is not needed. Giving them the rope-a-dope. That's rediculous of course, but it does show that everyone is pleasantly surprised at yet another of Putin's mistakes.



Maybe he doesn't have the kit or the logistics to support that many men? Just a guess.
This post was edited on 2/9/23 at 2:25 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38031 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 1:53 pm to
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It's the childish name calling and passive aggressive dismissals that really hurt their credibility off the bat for me.

For example: the "bama"user guy from a couple pages back posts the Ron Paul take. tigeraddict responds with a rational, well thought out response and bama's response to that is, "Sure Jan". Not a bit of an attempt at civil discourse. Many of them only know how to bomb throw and lack any critical thinking skills.



quote:

My least favorite part of the anti-Ukraine/pro-Russia crowd hopping over from the PT board to discuss this war is the straw man where they assume the OT has the political makeup of Reddit.

It’s like they hear prog-speak in MSM and other social media, and instead of engaging them on their platforms they come over to the also right leaning OT and just start sky screaming here.

No one in this thread is sourcing CNN, and if you plant a post that just says “Biden sucks” it will be nothing but upvoted in the front page of the OT. You won’t find anyone on the OT arguing that there are 11 genders or that dudes should be allowed in women’s sports.


both of these

i love when they call you a war monger because you dont support russia over running ukraine and you dont support an evil dictator that is committing genocide

or your a liberal for wanting to literally crush our biggest historical political foe without losing a single american GI all while only spending less than 10% of the annual defense budget


all becuase someone they dont like is president. i mean i hate the mother fricker too but that has nothing to do with what is going on.
Posted by OutsideObserver
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Member since Dec 2022
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 2:20 pm to
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It's the childish name calling and passive aggressive dismissals that really hurt their credibility off the bat for me.

For example: the "bama"user guy from a couple pages back posts the Ron Paul take. tigeraddict responds with a rational, well thought out response and bama's response to that is, "Sure Jan". Not a bit of an attempt at civil discourse. Many of them only know how to bomb throw and lack any critical thinking skills.


Well said.

Also the article shared isn't by Ron Paul either, it's from Mike Whitney whose reporting is shaded to the point he puts out many articles like this one.

Why Putins winter offensive will prompt US entry into the war. - Global Research Dec '22

Global Research has been repeatedly identified as a significant vector for promoting disinformation.

Edit: Grammar
This post was edited on 2/9/23 at 2:22 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105284 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 2:57 pm to
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Maybe he doesn't have the kit or the logistics to support that many men? Just a guess.


Or he can't call up any more without tanking the economy or sectors thereof. Or there aren't enough men fit for duty. Or too many cronies would get caught up in the dragnet.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8603 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 3:02 pm to
The problem is we don’t have many ATACMS to be able to give and Britain has even less Storm Shadows. These are extremely expensive munitions and you are right that it cannot be fired from the f-35 or f-16 but I’m not sure picking the Mirage just because it can fire a dozen or two of those systems is the right choice. The Mirage is nowhere near as agile as the f-16, especially at low altitude where the war is being fought and it can’t carry the load the f-16 can nor does it have the power in comparison. That being said, if the French and British want to do a combo of Mirage jets with the Storm Shadows as a now fix to Ukraine’s aviation issues and then maybe after the war Ukraine decides to purchase f-16s new or used and go through the proper training then that would a win-win. Regardless we will see France either put up or shutup when it comes to jets.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 3:21 pm to


Posted by DabosDynasty
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 3:59 pm to
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 4:08 pm to




First the article on us and Norway blowing up the pipeline, now this. I think we assumed this was likely the case, just feels an extra step for it to actually be reported.

Idk what’s what for sure on either, but back to back days of these two stories does feel to be a bit of an angle whether actually true or not.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14811 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 4:25 pm to
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First the article on us and Norway blowing up the pipeline, now this. I think we assumed this was likely the case, just feels an extra step for it to actually be reported.

Idk what’s what for sure on either, but back to back days of these two stories does feel to be a bit of an angle whether actually true or not.



Seeing the videos and after action losses, Russia has definitely ramped up attacking. It can't be an accident that at the same time Russia has ramped up attacks that stories like this come out. Russia has always been a master of disinformation/subversive attacks. Logically it makes since to try to drive a wedge in between western allies while at the same time conducting offensive operations. even if the effect is only a delay in help, it can help the troops in the field with operations.

So we have had Belarussian troops that could try to attack from the N/NW an sever supply lines. this locks down Ukrainian troosp along that border. Then you have attacks at Bakhmut, attacks at Kreminna, locking down troops in the east/NE, Armored assaults around Vuhledar, locking down troops west on Donnesk/SE front, and now reports of de-stabilization in Moldova (SW Ukrainian border)

Ukrainian command has to hold their reserves till they can confirm the direction of the true, full on attack that it appears Russia is about to launch/just launched. the time that reserves/mobile counter forces are held in reserve the greater the change of an offensive breakthrough.


However, from the videos thus far, the assaults have only seceded in large equipment and manpower losses. question is, are these just diversions for the actual main attack.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28570 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 4:26 pm to
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Idk what’s what for sure on either, but back to back days of these two stories does feel to be a bit of an angle whether actually true or not.

Any reporting that purports to detail the inner working of military decision making or processes should be assumed to be speculation at best.

We don't get accurate information on Putin's health, what he said to his generals or how Ukraine targets HIMARS strikes.

This is just chatter designed to get clicks in an actual information vacuum.
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