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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:03 pm to DabosDynasty
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:03 pm to DabosDynasty
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Written by Seymour Hersh
Maybe and maybe not.
One thing that we know for certain is that when someone slings shydt against the wall it may or may not stick, but regardless, the smell and stain remain. That was the method of attack repeatedly used against Trump.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:33 pm to ImaObserver
isw update
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Russian forces have regained the initiative in Ukraine and have begun their next major offensive in Luhansk Oblast. The pace of Russian operations along the Svatove-Kreminna line in western Luhansk Oblast has increased markedly over the past week, and Russian sources are widely reporting that conventional Russian troops are attacking Ukrainian defensive lines and making marginal advances along the Kharkiv-Luhansk Oblast border, particularly northwest of Svatove near Kupyansk and west of Kreminna.
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The commitment of significant elements of at least three major Russian divisions to offensive operations in this sector indicates the Russian offensive has begun, even if Ukrainian forces are so far preventing Russian forces from securing significant gains. The Russian offensive likely has not yet reached its full tempo; Russian command has not yet committed elements of the 2nd Motorized Rifle Division (1st Guards Tank Army, Western Military District), which deployed to Luhansk Oblast in January after deploying to Belarus.[5] Russian forces are gradually beginning an offensive, but its success is not inherent or predetermined. While Russian forces in Luhansk Oblast now have the initiative (in that Russian forces are setting the terms of battle, ending the period of Ukrainian initiative from August 2022), the full commitment of these forces could lead to their eventual culmination along the Svatove-Kreminna line without achieving their objectives of capturing all of Luhansk and Donetsk oblasts. That culmination would likely provide a window of opportunity for Ukrainian forces to exploit with their own counteroffensive
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Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) People’s Militia command reportedly assumed control over a Russian artillery battalion, likely in support of an effort to strengthen degraded DNR forces ahead of an imminent Russian offensive. A Russian source published a video appeal from mobilized personnel of the 640th howitzer battalion from Saratov Oblast on February 8 in which they stated that Russian military officials sent them to join DNR units and that DNR commanders are now trying to transfer them to infantry assault units.[7] ISW has not previously observed Russian personnel subordinated to a DNR formation and this claim, if true, would suggest that Russian forces may be reinforcing degraded DNR formations with mobilized personnel from Russia itself because DNR formations are unable to replenish losses themselves.
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The reported subordination of Russian mobilized personnel to DNR formations could also suggest that Russian military command may be continuing efforts to integrate ad hoc DNR and Luhansk People‘s Republic (LNR) formations into the Russian Armed Forces, but will likely face significant difficulties. The Russian Southern Military District formally controls the armed forces of the DNR and LNR through the 1st and 2nd Army Corps, respectively. However, many DNR and LNR formations remain ad hoc units and are not fully integrated into Russian MoD structures. ISW previously assessed that the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) appears to be rushing to integrate irregular conventional forces into a more traditional structure and may be creating new formations from DNR/LNR units in support of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu’s proposals to create new maneuver divisions
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Russian officials continue to propose measures to prepare Russia’s military industry for a protracted war in Ukraine while also likely setting further conditions for sanctions evasion. Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin stated on February 8 that the Russian government will subsidize investment projects for the modernization of enterprises operating in the interests of the Russian military and will allocate significant funds for manufacturing new military equipment.[10] Mishustin also stated that the Russian government would extend benefits to Russian entrepreneurs who support the Russian military, including extended payment periods on rented federal property.
Russian officials also likely proposed these measures in coordination with a recent decree excluding Russian officials from requirements to list income declarations and proposals to repeal federal procurement procedures. The Kremlin may be creating a system of subsidies and benefits designed to have little oversight or accounting. This lack of oversight and accounting would likely allow Russian firms to better evade international sanctions regimes targeting Russia’s military industry.[13] The United Kingdom announced a new list of sanctioned entities on February 8 focused on Russia’s military industry
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Key Takeaways
Russian forces have regained the initiative in Ukraine and have begun their next major offensive in Luhansk Oblast.
The commitment of significant elements of at least three major Russian divisions to offensive operations in this sector indicates the Russian offensive has begun, even if Ukrainian forces are so far preventing Russian forces from securing significant gains.
Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) People’s Militia command reportedly assumed control over a Russian artillery battalion, likely in support of an effort to strengthen degraded DNR forces ahead of an imminent Russian offensive.
The reported subordination of Russian mobilized personnel to DNR formations could also suggest that Russian military command may be continuing efforts to integrate ad hoc DNR and Luhansk People‘s Republic (LNR) formations into the Russian Armed Forces, but will likely face significant difficulties.
Russian officials continue to propose measures to prepare Russia’s military industry for a protracted war in Ukraine while also likely setting further conditions for sanctions evasion.
Russian forces continued offensive actions northwest of Svatove and intensified offensive operations near Kreminna.
Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks in the Avdiivka-Donetsk City area and western Donetsk Oblast.
Russian and Ukrainian forces reportedly continue small-scale skirmishes and reconnaissance activity in the Dnipro River delta and on the Kinburn Spit.
The Wagner Group is reportedly resorting to more coercive tactics in its prison recruitment campaign, possibly in response to the campaign’s declining effectiveness.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 8:37 pm to Tigris
This article is wrong. Several offshore companies use acoustic releases to active subsea devices regularly. Whatever was used to detonate the C4 (if that is what was used) would have been a passive listening device much like any other release for subsea systems. There is a very distinct frequency band and pulse length that will activate it. No amount of ocean noise, seismic activity, etc would fall within range.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:00 pm to TigersnJeeps
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A related article on the ability of the UK to train Ukrainian pilots. Seems the UK's training pipeline is already stressed and they are sending some to the US.
Interesting. The article indicates that the UK could do a lot with just simulators that would help prepare Ukrainian pilots to fly any NATO plane.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:28 pm to TheGasMan
It's used often to sever steel pilings when removing offshore production platforms.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:38 pm to GOP_Tiger
The US comments in the first article seemed to indicate that simulators would not be enough...
Yet the Brits feel otherwise....
Interesting indeed
Yet the Brits feel otherwise....
Interesting indeed
Posted on 2/8/23 at 9:47 pm to TigersnJeeps
But I think that the idea is for the French to give Ukraine Mirage 2000s. That's a plane that is better suited to Ukraine's needs, France has plenty it could send, and it can still fire those Storm Shadow missiles.
So, the Brits could provide the long-range missiles, and the French could provide the actual planes.
I kinda think that's what will happen.
Ukraine doesn't need to try to learn to operate four or five different kinds of NATO aircraft. It's hard enough doing that for tanks. So, I think that RAF Eurofighter Typhoons are a backup plan -- something that the UK would give if it needs to, just as it gave the Challenger 2 tanks to get the ball rolling for other NATO tanks.
So, the Brits could provide the long-range missiles, and the French could provide the actual planes.
I kinda think that's what will happen.
Ukraine doesn't need to try to learn to operate four or five different kinds of NATO aircraft. It's hard enough doing that for tanks. So, I think that RAF Eurofighter Typhoons are a backup plan -- something that the UK would give if it needs to, just as it gave the Challenger 2 tanks to get the ball rolling for other NATO tanks.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 1:19 am to GOP_Tiger
I have no idea honestly. This could go any number of different ways at this point. I’ve long thought they should have given them a couple dozen of the newly retired Super Cobra attack helicopters from the Marines with this being trench warfare with aviation basically always flying on the deck to avoid being hit by SAMs. I’m sure Ukraine will take whatever the first western 4th gen fighter is offered to them and would be happy to have Mirage 2000s. The f-16 is the superior aircraft but they definitely wouldn’t turn their nose up at French fighters.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 1:32 am to LSUPilot07
British Defence intelligence says warmer weather in the coming weeks. The window may be closing on a big Russian winter offensive.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 3:42 am to ImaObserver
quote:
shydt
shite?
You can type it out. You're an adult.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 3:54 am to Napoleon
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You can type it out. You're an adult.
I saw someone type f*ck the other day, I figured they must have forgotten where they were. Most of the subject matter forums I am on frown up typing most swear words and some of them even edit things like $hit and f*ck.
In other news Russian state TV is starting to have clips of their shows blocked on copyright grounds. There was a good one I was going to post this morning where Simonyan was expressing concern about how long the special military operation was taking and saying dying young was a good way to go and her mother agreed with her.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 4:08 am to Obtuse1
First visually verified BMPT (Terminator) kill.


Posted on 2/9/23 at 5:50 am to Obtuse1
I understand. I was banned from Saints report for saying "suck".
Posted on 2/9/23 at 6:27 am to CitizenK
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Russia is on pace to lose more KIA by the end of this year tha the US in WWII
I know that's shocking to us today, but compared to what the soviets and Germans did to each other in WW2, I doubt it even registers with the average Russian today.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 7:12 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 9 February 2023
The weather continues to play a significant role in the course of Russia's war in Ukraine. With the ground frozen, there has likely been little change in cross country mobility (CCM) conditions in eastern Ukraine in recent weeks.
On 08 February 2023, surface temperatures were around 0 degrees Celsius; over the coming week, forecasts suggest soil temperature increases and snow melt are likely to deteriorate CCM across the Donbas.
CCM is likely to be at its worst, with extremely muddy conditions, over mid- to late-March. Commanders on both sides will highly likely seek to avoid scheduling major offensives at such times. However, perceived political or operational opportunities can override such concerns, as demonstrated by Russia launching its invasion in late-February 2022.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 9 February 2023
The weather continues to play a significant role in the course of Russia's war in Ukraine. With the ground frozen, there has likely been little change in cross country mobility (CCM) conditions in eastern Ukraine in recent weeks.
On 08 February 2023, surface temperatures were around 0 degrees Celsius; over the coming week, forecasts suggest soil temperature increases and snow melt are likely to deteriorate CCM across the Donbas.
CCM is likely to be at its worst, with extremely muddy conditions, over mid- to late-March. Commanders on both sides will highly likely seek to avoid scheduling major offensives at such times. However, perceived political or operational opportunities can override such concerns, as demonstrated by Russia launching its invasion in late-February 2022.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 7:14 am to cypher
Ron Paul’s take on Ukraine
LINK
On February 16, 2022, a full week before Putin sent combat troops into Ukraine, the Ukrainian Army began the heavy bombardment of the area (in east Ukraine) occupied by mainly ethnic Russians. Officials from the Observer Mission of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) were located in the vicinity at the time and kept a record of the shelling as it took place. What the OSCE discovered was that the bombardment dramatically intensified as the week went on until it reached a peak on February 19, when a total of 2,026 artillery strikes were recorded. Keep in mind, the Ukrainian Army was, in fact, shelling civilian areas along the Line of Contact that were occupied by other Ukrainians.
We want to emphasize that the officials from the OSCE were operating in their professional capacity gathering first-hand evidence of shelling in the area. What their data shows is that Ukrainian Forces were bombing and killing their own people. This has all been documented and has not been challenged.
So, the question we must all ask ourselves is this: Is the bombardment and slaughter of one’s own people an ‘act of war’?
LINK
On February 16, 2022, a full week before Putin sent combat troops into Ukraine, the Ukrainian Army began the heavy bombardment of the area (in east Ukraine) occupied by mainly ethnic Russians. Officials from the Observer Mission of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) were located in the vicinity at the time and kept a record of the shelling as it took place. What the OSCE discovered was that the bombardment dramatically intensified as the week went on until it reached a peak on February 19, when a total of 2,026 artillery strikes were recorded. Keep in mind, the Ukrainian Army was, in fact, shelling civilian areas along the Line of Contact that were occupied by other Ukrainians.
We want to emphasize that the officials from the OSCE were operating in their professional capacity gathering first-hand evidence of shelling in the area. What their data shows is that Ukrainian Forces were bombing and killing their own people. This has all been documented and has not been challenged.
So, the question we must all ask ourselves is this: Is the bombardment and slaughter of one’s own people an ‘act of war’?
This post was edited on 2/9/23 at 7:34 am
Posted on 2/9/23 at 7:20 am to bamadontcare
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Ron Paul’s take on Ukraine
LINK /
The link breaks when trying to go to the page, here is a link to the blog where the article is on the top
"Who started it...?
Setting the Record Straight; Stuff You Should Know About Ukraine"
You have to cut and paste for some odd reason:
LINK
Posted on 2/9/23 at 7:28 am to Obtuse1
We think it is. And if we are right, then we must logically assume that the war began before the Russian invasion (which was launched a full week later) We must also assume that Russia’s alleged “unprovoked aggression” was not unprovoked at all but was the appropriate humanitarian response to the deliberate killing of civilians. In order to argue that the Russian invasion was ‘not provoked’, we would have to say that firing over 4,000 artillery shells into towns and neighborhoods where women and children live, is not a provocation? Who will defend that point of view?
No one, because it’s absurd. The killing of civilians in the Donbas was a clear provocation, a provocation that was aimed at goading Russia into a war. And –as we said earlier– the OSCE had monitors on the ground who provided full documentation of the shelling as it took place, which is as close to ironclad, eyewitness testimony as you’re going to get.
No one, because it’s absurd. The killing of civilians in the Donbas was a clear provocation, a provocation that was aimed at goading Russia into a war. And –as we said earlier– the OSCE had monitors on the ground who provided full documentation of the shelling as it took place, which is as close to ironclad, eyewitness testimony as you’re going to get.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 7:29 am to cypher
Head of Ukrainian President’s Office: Issue of long-range weapons and fighter jets for Ukraine resolved
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Thursday, 9 February 2023, 14:49
Andrii Yermak, Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, has said that the supply of long-range weapons and fighter jets to Ukraine by international partners is a done deal.
Source: Yermak on Telegram
Quote: "The issue of long-range weapons and fighter jets for Ukraine has been resolved. Details a little later.
Ukrainska Pravda
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Thursday, 9 February 2023, 14:49
Andrii Yermak, Head of the Office of the President of Ukraine, has said that the supply of long-range weapons and fighter jets to Ukraine by international partners is a done deal.
Source: Yermak on Telegram
Quote: "The issue of long-range weapons and fighter jets for Ukraine has been resolved. Details a little later.
Ukrainska Pravda
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