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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/7/23 at 7:03 pm to LSUPilot07
Posted on 2/7/23 at 7:03 pm to LSUPilot07
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My god Russia just can’t help themselves shooting themselves in the foot. Now they want to go and piss Poland off which they really don’t want to do. They have been modernizing and building their militaries. If they are having this hard of a time with Ukraine the Poland would frick them in arse. Hard.
Poland or Lithuania should end up with Kalingrad when this is done if for no other reason than land distance from Russia for their efforts in supporting Ukraine and future defense. Or I guess in theory it could be it’s own nation with expelling Russian diplomats and security managed cooperatively by Poland and the Baltics.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 7:07 pm to Jim Rockford
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Kadyrov, the head of Chechnya, suggested Monday that Russia should “denazify and demilitarize” Poland next.
LOL.
Poland.....
Posted on 2/7/23 at 7:10 pm to DabosDynasty
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Putin and his cronies gonna FAFO with Poland. They ain’t playing
Yep. Poland has the strongest military on mainland Europe, and they don't frick around. The Poles are vicious.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 7:22 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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Yep. Poland has the strongest military on mainland Europe, and they don't frick around. The Poles are vicious.
They remember Russia and the actual Nazis agreeing to divide Poland between them, Katyn Forest, Stalin holding his army back while the Germans crushed the Warsaw uprising, and the Russian occupation. There is no place with more reason to hate the Russians than Poland. Except maybe for Ukraine after Holdomor. The idea that we should not help Ukraine is obscene.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 7:43 pm to DabosDynasty
If Russia gets so bold to do something like strike trains loaded with tanks going to Ukraine then this is all over. Russia would sign their own death certificate. They could give Kaliningrad 30 days to have all Russian military out of there right now and there’s not much Russia could really do. They know they don’t want to fight Poland.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 7:44 pm to Tigris
The Kremlin directly or through their talking heads on state TV have threatened almost everyone. Poland, England, Germany, France, the US, and in the last couple of days Italy and Spain. It is all a crock of shite they are just puffing themselves up for their citizens otherwise they are just writing checks their arse can't even begin to cash. It is like a 6th grader getting beat up by a second grader yelling about how he is going to kick the 2nd grader's father's arse when the 2nd grader is the son of Anderson Silva, Jon Jones and Georges St Pierre all rolled into one.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 9:10 pm to Obtuse1
ISW Update
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Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu held a press conference on the status of the war on February 7, likely in an attempt to posture the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) as an effective and involved leadership apparatus as the Russian military prepares for a renewed major offensive in Ukraine. Shoigu claimed that Russian forces are successfully developing operations near Bakhmut and Vuhledar and claimed that Russian troops have recently taken control of Soledar, Klishchiivka, Pidhorodne, Krasnopolivka, Blahodatne, and Mykolaivka in the Bakhmut area and Lobkove in Zaporizhia Oblast
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Russian military command may be rushing to launch a large-scale offensive operation to conquer Donetsk Oblast in an unrealistic timeframe and likely without sufficient combat power. The UK MoD assessed on February 7 that Russia has highly likely been attempting to launch a major offensive operation to reach the Donetsk Oblast administrative borders since early January 2023 but had only been able to gain several hundred meters of territory per week.[3] The UK MoD attributed such a slow pace to Russian munitions shortages and a lack of maneuver units that are necessary for a successful and rapid offensive.
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The Russian nationalist information space is continuing to express worry over Russia’s inability to sustain a rapid and multi-pronged decisive offensive operation on a deadline. One prominent milblogger warned that Russian forces should not fall into the trap of attempting to start numerous offensive operations like they did in spring 2022 but instead focus on gradual advances that would generate high casualties among Ukrainian forces
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Russian state energy company Gazprom may be creating its own private security force, likely in an effort to normalize state-affiliated paramilitary groups and undermine private military companies (PMCs). The Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) reported on February 7 that Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin privately authorized Gazprom subsidiary Gazprom Nafta to establish a 70 percent stake in its own private security company under a law on the safety of fuel and energy complex assets
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The Kremlin may be considering implementing some demands previously voiced by Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin to build rapport with other nationalist figures who advocated for similar policies. Head of the Russian State Duma Committee on Security and Anti-Corruption Vasily Piskarev is reportedly preparing amendments to the Russian Criminal Code to include provisions against discreditation of individuals who participated in combat operations and volunteer detachments that assist the Russian Armed Forces during the war in Ukraine.[8] Russian state media credited Prigozhin as the initiator of the amendment, and the provision will likely include Wagner mercenaries whom the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) repeatedly labeled as “volunteers.”[9] The largest Russia media holding company, Gazprom Media, is reportedly planning to ban its media outlets (which include Russian federal TV channels) from publishing content on YouTube
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The Russian State Duma further formalized the institution of social benefit schemes in occupied territories of Ukraine in order to further consolidate administrative control of occupied areas. State Duma Chairman Vyacheslav Volodin stated on February 7 that the Duma adopted the first reading of four bills on the legislative integration of social rights of the residents of occupied Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson, and Zaporizhia oblasts.[12] The bills define the minimum level of income, pension payments, sick leave, pregnancy and childcare benefits, and social support for veterans and the disabled and notably allows residents to submit documents to apply for social benefits in Ukrainian without a notarized translation into Russia.[13] The Duma bills represent the highest level of legislative integration of social benefit schemes thus far, having previously been defined and advertised in local forms by individual occupation officials. ISW continues to assess that such social benefit measures are a method of consolidating administrative control of occupied areas, as residents of occupied areas are forced to interact with Russian-controlled administrative organs to receive necessary payments.[14] The Duma bills codify and formalize these practices are part of the Russian legislative code.
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Key Takeaways
Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu is likely attempting to posture the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) as an effective and involved leadership apparatus as the Russian military prepares for a renewed major offensive in Ukraine.
Russian military command may be rushing to launch a large-scale offensive operation to conquer Donetsk Oblast in an unrealistic timeframe and likely without sufficient combat power.
The Russian nationalist information space is continuing to express worry over Russia’s inability to sustain a rapid and multi-pronged decisive offensive operation on a deadline.
Russian state energy company Gazprom may be creating its own private security force, likely in an effort to normalize state-affiliated paramilitary groups and undermine non-state private military companies (PMCs).
The Kremlin may be implementing some demands previously voiced by Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin to build rapport with other nationalist figures who advocated for similar policies.
The Russian State Duma further formalized the institution of social benefit schemes in occupied territories of Ukraine in order to further consolidate administrative control of occupied areas.
Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks near Svatove and Kreminna.
Russian forces continued ground attacks around Bakhmut.
Russian forces did not make confirmed territorial gains on the southern axis.
Russian officials appear to be investing in railway infrastructure to increase the efficiency of military logistics.
The Russian MoD is reportedly proposing a bill to allow all military personnel, including conscripts, to voluntarily participate in Russian peacekeeping missions.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:11 pm to StormyMcMan
How dumb do you have to be to poke a downed kamikaze drone with a stick? Apparently Russian dumb.
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Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:06 am to Obtuse1
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 8 February 2022
Since Russia withdrew its forces from the west bank of the Dnipro in November 2022, skirmishing and reconnaissance has continued on the complex network of islands and waterways which make up the Dnipro delta.
Russian forces have almost certainly used small boats to try to main a presence on key islands; Ukraine has successfully deployed long-range artillery to neutralise Russian outposts a number of times. Both sides have likely also deployed small groups on the Kinburn Spit, which commands the Dnipro Gulf.
Both sides are likely aiming to maintain a presence in these areas to control maritime access to the strategically important river and to provide warning of any attempt by their adversaries to launch a major assault across the river. It is highly unlikely that Russia will attempt an assault crossing of the Dnipro: it would likely be extremely complex and costly.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 8 February 2022
Since Russia withdrew its forces from the west bank of the Dnipro in November 2022, skirmishing and reconnaissance has continued on the complex network of islands and waterways which make up the Dnipro delta.
Russian forces have almost certainly used small boats to try to main a presence on key islands; Ukraine has successfully deployed long-range artillery to neutralise Russian outposts a number of times. Both sides have likely also deployed small groups on the Kinburn Spit, which commands the Dnipro Gulf.
Both sides are likely aiming to maintain a presence in these areas to control maritime access to the strategically important river and to provide warning of any attempt by their adversaries to launch a major assault across the river. It is highly unlikely that Russia will attempt an assault crossing of the Dnipro: it would likely be extremely complex and costly.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:15 am to cypher
Press release
PM extends Ukraine military training to pilots and marines as President Zelenskyy makes first visit to the UK since Russian invasion
President Zelenskyy arrives in the UK today to meet the Prime Minister and visit Ukrainian troops.
Comes as the Prime Minister announces plans to expand training for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to sea and air, including fighter jet pilots and marines, as part of long-term investment in their military.
UK also accelerates military equipment to Ukraine in a bid to give Ukrainian forces the upper hand on the battlefield and limit Russia’s ability to target civilian infrastructure.
The Prime Minister will also offer to provide Ukraine with longer range capabilities. This will disrupt Russia’s ability to continually target Ukraine’s civilian and critical national infrastructure and help relieve pressure on Ukraine’s frontlines.
GOV.UK
PM extends Ukraine military training to pilots and marines as President Zelenskyy makes first visit to the UK since Russian invasion
President Zelenskyy arrives in the UK today to meet the Prime Minister and visit Ukrainian troops.
Comes as the Prime Minister announces plans to expand training for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to sea and air, including fighter jet pilots and marines, as part of long-term investment in their military.
UK also accelerates military equipment to Ukraine in a bid to give Ukrainian forces the upper hand on the battlefield and limit Russia’s ability to target civilian infrastructure.
The Prime Minister will also offer to provide Ukraine with longer range capabilities. This will disrupt Russia’s ability to continually target Ukraine’s civilian and critical national infrastructure and help relieve pressure on Ukraine’s frontlines.
GOV.UK
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:21 am to cypher
Right. The UK isn't yet committing to give Ukraine its older Typhoons (that the RAF currently plans to retire by 2025), but training Ukrainian pilots to use them makes it seem like only a matter of time.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 7:29 am to cypher
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The Prime Minister will also offer to provide Ukraine with longer range capabilities.
Oh, I missed this on first reading. Whoa. If the US won't give ATACMS, well, the UK has Storm Shadow missiles that have an even longer range. The UK probably isn't going to give those, but they are shifting the window to get Biden to give the OK for ATACMS.
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 9:22 am
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:02 am to GOP_Tiger
What Russia Got Wrong
A long and interesting read on the bad assumptions and poor planning that led Russia to this point, and what we can and can't learn from them.
A long and interesting read on the bad assumptions and poor planning that led Russia to this point, and what we can and can't learn from them.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:17 am to GOP_Tiger
Zelensky's speech in the UK:
Zelensky gave a Ukrainian fighter pilot's helmet with the writing:
EDIT: here's a photoshopped Eurofighter Typhoon in Ukrainian livery. I think it looks pretty good.
EDIT #2:
Reminder: the UK has 30 Eurofighter Typhoons from Tranche 1 that are scheduled to be retired by 2025.
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"Leaving the British Parliament 2 years ago, I thanked you for the delicious English tea. Today I will leave the Parliament thanking you all, in advance, for the powerful English planes."
Zelensky gave a Ukrainian fighter pilot's helmet with the writing:
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"We have freedom, give us wings to protect it".
EDIT: here's a photoshopped Eurofighter Typhoon in Ukrainian livery. I think it looks pretty good.
EDIT #2:
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New: UK is "actively" considering whether to send British jets to Ukraine, the Prime Minister's official spokesman said, adding “We are willing to put Ukraine in the position where, once we have reached the goals of training pilots, they are able to fly these type of jets,"
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Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has asked Defence Secretary Ben Wallace to investigate what jets the UK could potentially give to Ukraine, Downing Street has said.
Reminder: the UK has 30 Eurofighter Typhoons from Tranche 1 that are scheduled to be retired by 2025.
This post was edited on 2/8/23 at 10:30 am
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:57 am to GOP_Tiger
US & Norway blew the Nordstream pipelines - substack of a UK Times Article
Written by Seymour Hersh, didn’t know him before looking him up. He covered Watergate, broke the My Lai Massacre and Abu Ghraib stories. Been was published in the Times today, but it’s behind a paywall. Sub stack was also posted on Twitter.
Written by Seymour Hersh, didn’t know him before looking him up. He covered Watergate, broke the My Lai Massacre and Abu Ghraib stories. Been was published in the Times today, but it’s behind a paywall. Sub stack was also posted on Twitter.
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At the time, the CIA was directed by William Burns, a mild-mannered former ambassador to Russia who had served as deputy secretary of state in the Obama Administration. Burns quickly authorized an Agency working group whose ad hoc members included—by chance—someone who was familiar with the capabilities of the Navy’s deep-sea divers in Panama City. Over the next few weeks, members of the CIA’s working group began to craft a plan for a covert operation that would use deep-sea divers to trigger an explosion along the pipeline.
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What came next was stunning. On February 7, less than three weeks before the seemingly inevitable Russian invasion of Ukraine, Biden met in his White House office with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who, after some wobbling, was now firmly on the American team. At the press briefing that followed, Biden defiantly said, “If Russia invades . . . there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
Twenty days earlier, Undersecretary Nuland had delivered essentially the same message at a State Department briefing, with little press coverage. “I want to be very clear to you today,” she said in response to a question. “If Russia invades Ukraine, one way or another Nord Stream 2 will not move forward.”
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Norway was one of the original signatories of the NATO Treaty in 1949, in the early days of the Cold War. Today, the supreme commander of NATO is Jens Stoltenberg, a committed anti-communist, who served as Norway’s prime minister for eight years before moving to his high NATO post, with American backing, in 2014. He was a hardliner on all things Putin and Russia who had cooperated with the American intelligence community since the Vietnam War. He has been trusted completely since. “He is the glove that fits the American hand,” the source said.
Back in Washington, planners knew they had to go to Norway. “They hated the Russians, and the Norwegian navy was full of superb sailors and divers who had generations of experience in highly profitable deep-sea oil and gas exploration,” the source said. They also could be trusted to keep the mission secret. (The Norwegians may have had other interests as well. The destruction of Nord Stream—if the Americans could pull it off—would allow Norway to sell vastly more of its own natural gas to Europe.)
Sometime in March, a few members of the team flew to Norway to meet with the Norwegian Secret Service and Navy. One of the key questions was where exactly in the Baltic Sea was the best place to plant the explosives. Nord Stream 1 and 2, each with two sets of pipelines, were separated much of the way by little more than a mile as they made their run to the port of Greifswald in the far northeast of Germany.
The Norwegian navy was quick to find the right spot, in the shallow waters of the Baltic sea a few miles off Denmark’s Bornholm Island. The pipelines ran more than a mile apart along a seafloor that was only 260 feet deep. That would be well within the range of the divers, who, operating from a Norwegian Alta class mine hunter, would dive with a mixture of oxygen, nitrogen and helium streaming from their tanks, and plant shaped C4 charges on the four pipelines with concrete protective covers. It would be tedious, time consuming and dangerous work, but the waters off Bornholm had another advantage: there were no major tidal currents, which would have made the task of diving much more difficult.
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Denmark had also been one of the original NATO signatories and was known in the intelligence community for its special ties to the United Kingdom. Sweden had applied for membership into NATO, and had demonstrated its great skill in managing its underwater sound and magnetic sensor systems that successfully tracked Russian submarines that would occasionally show up in remote waters of the Swedish archipelago and be forced to the surface.
The Norwegians joined the Americans in insisting that some senior officials in Denmark and Sweden had to be briefed in general terms about possible diving activity in the area. In that way, someone higher up could intervene and keep a report out of the chain of command, thus insulating the pipeline operation. “What they were told and what they knew were purposely different,” the source told me. (The Norwegian embassy, asked to comment on this story, did not respond.)
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The Norwegians also had a solution to the crucial question of when the operation should take place. Every June, for the past 21 years, the American Sixth Fleet, whose flagship is based in Gaeta, Italy, south of Rome, has sponsored a major NATO exercise in the Baltic Sea involving scores of allied ships throughout the region. The current exercise, held in June, would be known as Baltic Operations 22, or BALTOPS 22. The Norwegians proposed this would be the ideal cover to plant the mines.
The Americans provided one vital element: they convinced the Sixth Fleet planners to add a research and development exercise to the program. The exercise, as made public by the Navy, involved the Sixth Fleet in collaboration with the Navy’s “research and warfare centers.” The at-sea event would be held off the coast of Bornholm Island and involve NATO teams of divers planting mines, with competing teams using the latest underwater technology to find and destroy them.
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And then: Washington had second thoughts. The bombs would still be planted during BALTOPS, but the White House worried that a two-day window for their detonation would be too close to the end of the exercise, and it would be obvious that America had been involved.
Instead, the White House had a new request: “Can the guys in the field come up with some way to blow the pipelines later on command?”
Some members of the planning team were angered and frustrated by the President’s seeming indecision. The Panama City divers had repeatedly practiced planting the C4 on pipelines, as they would during BALTOPS, but now the team in Norway had to come up with a way to give Biden what he wanted—the ability to issue a successful execution order at a time of his choosing.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:58 am to DabosDynasty
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The Americans at work in Norway operated under the same dynamic, and dutifully began working on the new problem—how to remotely detonate the C4 explosives on Biden’s order. It was a much more demanding assignment than those in Washington understood. There was no way for the team in Norway to know when the President might push the button. Would it be in a few weeks, in many months or in half a year or longer?
The C4 attached to the pipelines would be triggered by a sonar buoy dropped by a plane on short notice, but the procedure involved the most advanced signal processing technology. Once in place, the delayed timing devices attached to any of the four pipelines could be accidentally triggered by the complex mix of ocean background noises throughout the heavily trafficked Baltic Sea—from near and distant ships, underwater drilling, seismic events, waves and even sea creatures. To avoid this, the sonar buoy, once in place, would emit a sequence of unique low frequency tonal sounds—much like those emitted by a flute or a piano—that would be recognized by the timing device and, after a pre-set hours of delay, trigger the explosives. (“You want a signal that is robust enough so that no other signal could accidentally send a pulse that detonated the explosives,” I was told by Dr. Theodore Postol, professor emeritus of science, technology and national security policy at MIT. Postol, who has served as the science adviser to the Pentagon’s Chief of Naval Operations, said the issue facing the group in Norway because of Biden’s delay was one of chance: “The longer the explosives are in the water the greater risk there would be of a random signal that would launch the bombs.”)
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On September 26, 2022, a Norwegian Navy P8 surveillance plane made a seemingly routine flight and dropped a sonar buoy. The signal spread underwater, initially to Nord Stream 2 and then on to Nord Stream 1. A few hours later, the high-powered C4 explosives were triggered and three of the four pipelines were put out of commission. Within a few minutes, pools of methane gas that remained in the shuttered pipelines could be seen spreading on the water’s surface and the world learned that something irreversible had taken place.
Massive article. Tried to share the important pieces of planning and execution. Incredibly interesting details imo.
Interested in what you guys think.
Posted on 2/8/23 at 10:58 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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Yep. Poland has the strongest military on mainland Europe, and they don't frick around. The Poles are vicious.
By what metric?
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