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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:01 am to
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:01 am to
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Russia’s biggest gain in 6 months


Compare Russia’s biggest gain in six months with Ukraine’s biggest gains in six months and it’s not even close. Ukrsine has been way more successful.

But at the end of the day what matters is what happens next.
Posted by Athanatos
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:28 am to
WSJ is reporting today that UA losses at Bakhmut are unsustainable and are compromising offensive capability. Take it how you will, but the WSJ is not RT.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:17 am to
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You do realize that Russia’s biggest gain in 6 months is not strategically significant or important at all. Don’t you?

ETA: Also you do realize that as Russia makes gains on a strategically insignificant front in Soledar the Ukrainians are making gains on a strategically important front around Kremmina. Don’t you?


But but it's where the biolabs turning normal Ukrainian soldiers into superhuman ghey Jewish Nazi demons.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 9:18 am
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:21 am to
Those vids are brutal.

Couple of things, it appeared the Russians didnt have anybody on watch on the vid with night vision;

There clearly was a drone with night vision in the air. We have that capability but only our QRF type units, 82nd, 101, 173rd have the capability to see (the squad leader) what the drone operator sees. Or they battle rigged something and the drone operator was communicating with the squad leader.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:28 am to
There were massive, unsustainable losses on both sides. That’s the honest truth to that story. When you have point blank combat like you have with this area that’s the only outcome. Russia lost a hell of a lot more because they were the attacking force and because they walk their soldiers out to soak up as many bullets as they can with no regard for their own force’s lives. Still, Ukraine lost a lot of guys in that fight too.
Posted by tigeraddict
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:47 am to
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There were massive, unsustainable losses on both sides. That’s the honest truth to that story. When you have point blank combat like you have with this area that’s the only outcome. Russia lost a hell of a lot more because they were the attacking force and because they walk their soldiers out to soak up as many bullets as they can with no regard for their own force’s lives. Still, Ukraine lost a lot of guys in that fight too.





This. Weather (mud) has eliminated the mobile warfare aspect of battle for now. The front line is more like WWI trench warfare with artillery (and drones) taking center stage with manned assults. From the videos i have seen the town is a waste land which looks like Beirut green line from the 80s/90s.

This type of warfare is a battle of attrition instead of maneuver warfare. losses on both sides is expected to be extremely high. typically the defender is at the advantage somewhat as they have the benefit of defensive positions, while the attacker is forced to leave their defensive positions to engage.

A lot of blood spilled from both side for a desolated town and a few kilometers of front line change.

When maneuver warfare opens back up, we will likely seethe causality rates fall and line change more frequently. but that will depend of if either side has the combat strength to actually launch an offensive.....
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 9:48 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5659 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:47 am to
Poland to deliver Leopard tanks to Ukraine
by The Kyiv Independent news desk
January 11, 2023 5:25 pm

Polish President Andrzej Duda has announced the delivery of a company of modern German-made Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. 

Duda made the announcement at a meeting with President Volodymyr Zelensky and Lithuanian counterpart Gitanas Nauseda in Lviv on Jan. 11 as part of the “Lublin Triangle” format, the regional partnership established by the three in July 2020.

“A company of Leopard tanks will be provided as part of the coalition," Duda said at the press conference. A tank company generally consists of ten to a dozen tanks.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:34 am to
That cartoon is hilarious. Don't trust the guy with the big Jewish nose -- he's obviously part of the big globalist Jewish conspiracy. And he's also working with Nazis!

The cognitive dissonance would overwhelm a normal brain, but it has no effect on Qanon drones.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22582 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:37 am to
The money/resources the US has provided zelinsky’s government pales in comparison to what the US provided Churchill.

That cartoon makes no sense.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 10:38 am
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37341 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:39 am to
Is it my imagination or were the Ben Garrison cartoons a bit more clever and subtle in the past? This one is just straight up anti-Semetic and dull.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
20975 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 10:52 am to
LINK

quote:

Defence Secretary Ben Wallace is leading work with allies which could see Britain send tanks to Ukraine, No10 said on Wednesday.

Downing Street said the UK was looking to “accelerate” its support to Kyiv to help it “win this war” against Vladimir Putin’s regime.

It said tanks could be a “game-changing capability”, amid reports that Britain is considering supplying a dozen Challenger II tanks.

The Prime Minister’s official spokesman said: “We are accelerating our support to Ukraine with the kind of next generation military technology that will help win this war.

“It’s clear that battle tanks could provide a game-changing capability to the Ukrainians.

“The Prime Minister told President Zelensky last week the UK will provide whatever we can.

“The Prime Minister has asked the Defence Secretary to work with partners in the coming weeks to discuss how we can go even further and faster on our support to Ukraine including the provision of tanks.”


As others here have said, on its own, a dozen Challenger 2 tanks isn't a big deal. Indeed, the complication of the additional logistics chain almost negates the military value.

But the idea is that, on January 20th at Ramstein, half of the 50ish countries in the group agree to contribute that many tanks to Ukraine, and Ukraine gets promises of over 250 MBTs, in addition to lots of other heavy armor.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 10:56 am
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8619 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 11:33 am to
As far as changing anything on the battlefield 12 Leopards will do nothing. What this does do though is finally break down the glass ceiling about no western tanks in Ukraine. Now Poland has come out front and made it known they are ready to hand over their sizable contingent of Leopard tanks if they can receive replacement Abrams or K2s.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38177 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

That cartoon is hilarious. Don't trust the guy with the big Jewish nose -- he's obviously part of the big globalist Jewish conspiracy. And he's also working with Nazis!

The cognitive dissonance would overwhelm a normal brain, but it has no effect on Qanon drones.




Not to mention the predecessors of the alt-right/incel contingent here were against our providing aid in WWII to UK/Churchill as well. Not sure if they called the UK literal Nazis at the time, though.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22582 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:14 pm to
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Not sure if they called the UK literal Nazis at the time, thoug


Members of the British royal family were most certainly nazi sympathizers.

Many in Europe (and US) we’re sympathetic to nazis bc of the strong anti-communist rhetoric… to Churchills credit he saw through the bullshite.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 12:17 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87384 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

Is it my imagination or were the Ben Garrison cartoons a bit more clever and subtle in the past? This one is just straight up anti-Semetic and dull.



I'm radically right wing and they've always sucked. He's probably a good technical cartoonist, but there is never any snark/wit/etc. in his cartoons. He takes some Trump supporter political argument and then makes it into a cartoon complete with labels and explanations.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:43 pm to
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WSJ is reporting today that UA losses at Bakhmut are unsustainable


If the Ukrainian losses on the defensive are unsustainable, just imagine what the Russian losses on the offensive are. Of course the entire Bakhmut front is strategically insignificant. The Ukrainians could pull out of Bakhmut and fall back and they would still be able to block all of Russia avenues of advance. The only thing Russia would gain if they are completely successful in Bakhmut is control of a city that has been completely destroyed. The only reasons that the Russians are going all in there is because the Ukrainians stopped the Russian advance in the Donbass this summer there and Putin needs a victory to raise morale and Bakhmut is the easiest place for Russia to gain one.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:49 pm to
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This morning Russian Navy ships and submarines left their base at Novorossiysk, in the Black Sea, en-masse. This is highly unusual and may indicate ongoing operations.


LINK

Looks like Russia is preparing for another massive missile attack before the Patriots arrive in Ukraine. Either that or they are going to try and blockade Ukraine again.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42651 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:50 pm to
Devil’s advocate:
If Bakhmut is so insignificant, why would Ukraine invest so many resources there?

Sure Russia lost more guys, but it appears they were mostly new recruits, but Ukraine lost front line veterans.

In the long run, is this good?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:56 pm to
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If Bakhmut is so insignificant, why would Ukraine invest so many resources there? Sure Russia lost more guys, but it appears they were mostly new recruits, but Ukraine lost front line veterans.


Allow some of their 750,000 reserves to see combat and increase the overall number of veterans in their army. Also to tie Russia up and prevent it from reinforcing the Kremmina area or their defensive lines in the Zap oblast.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8172 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:57 pm to
quote:

Devil’s advocate:
If Bakhmut is so insignificant, why would Ukraine invest so many resources there?

Sure Russia lost more guys, but it appears they were mostly new recruits, but Ukraine lost front line veterans.

In the long run, is this good?


I think this is a really good question, one that I have been pondering as well. Why waste valuable resources defending it if it isn't vital?
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