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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 1/10/23 at 5:37 pm to WeeWee
Posted on 1/10/23 at 5:37 pm to WeeWee
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Poland would have to have replacements or risk weakening itself.
Hey man dont worry about Polands safety, there is more lethal shite there than anywhere on the planet.
SO the whole obsession with Bakhmut is money? to get control of the salt mines before Vlad bends the knee?
Posted on 1/10/23 at 5:38 pm to WeeWee
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If the reports are true it looks like Ivan has decided to go all and launch a major offensive against Soledar. However, if Russian casualties are even close to being accurate then I don’t know how the Russians can keep up the pressure to sustain their advance.
Not knowing the lay of the land, location location location matters quite a bit as to whether or not they can hold their gains.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 5:48 pm to Obtuse1
I rarely put up combat footage anymore but here are three clips that emphasize the brutality of the combat around Bahkmut and Ukraine in general.
None of this is safe for work and really not safe for humanity, all three are twitter links.
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close combat in trenches
None of this is safe for work and really not safe for humanity, all three are twitter links.
LINK
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close combat in trenches
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:02 pm to Lakeboy7
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SO the whole obsession with Bakhmut is money? to get control of the salt mines before Vlad bends the knee?
That is the newest theory that Prigozhin wants control of the salt and gypsum after the war. I wonder if the Ukes actually see the salt mine as a useful asset to store equipment and munitions, which has been postulated, if they will wire it with explosives and drop the tunnels and shafts if it is about to be overrun. I know I would.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 6:51 pm to DabosDynasty
That is consistent with what I'm seeing as well.
I suppose congratulations are in order for the Russians, it only took them 6 months, thousands of lives and untold amounts of equipment to capture Soledar.
Can Russia maintain control? Can they drive south into the northern flank of Bahkmut? Time will tell.
I suppose congratulations are in order for the Russians, it only took them 6 months, thousands of lives and untold amounts of equipment to capture Soledar.
Can Russia maintain control? Can they drive south into the northern flank of Bahkmut? Time will tell.
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 1/10/23 at 7:15 pm to Obtuse1
Isn't there a tremendous amount of lithium in Eastern Ukraine also?
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 1/10/23 at 7:26 pm to AU86
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Isn't there a tremendous amount of lithium in Eastern Ukraine also?
Yes, but AFAIK there are no major mines in the immediate Bahkmut area. I think the major mine closest is near Donetsk (the city) which is probably about 60 miles from Bahkmut. The whole area of the Ukraine shield has a lot of lithium which encompasses about half of Ukraine.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 7:37 pm to Obtuse1
ISW Update
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Russian media reported on January 10 that Colonel General Aleksandr Lapin, former commander of the Central Military District (CMD) and Russian forces in eastern Kharkiv and northern Donetsk oblasts, has been appointed Chief of Staff of the Russian Ground Forces. Russian outlet URA, citing unidentified Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) sources, reported that Lapin took over from Colonel General Vasily Tonkoshkurov as Chief of Staff of the Russian Ground Forces on January 9.[1] It is unclear why Tonkoshkurov was removed from this position and what his next role will be. While official Kremlin and MoD sources have not confirmed the claim, it was widely circulated and responded to as fact among military commentators in the Russian information space
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Lapin’s previous role as commander of the "Central" group of Russian forces in Ukraine and commander of the Russian Central Military District (CMD) was checkered with controversy following the successful Ukrainian counteroffensive that retook large swaths of territory in eastern Kharkiv and northern Donetsk oblasts in September 2022. The Russian MoD confirmed Lapin’s appointment as commander of the "Central" grouping on June 24, 2022, and noted he was responsible for operations in the Severodonetsk-Lysychansk area and likely the broader Luhansk-Donetsk Oblast border area.[3] Lapin went on to receive a "Hero of Russia" medal on July 4 for his role in the Russian capture of Lysychansk.[4] Lapin was also the commander responsible for Lyman, Donetsk Oblast, and received strong criticism from prominent voices in the Russian information space for his claimed responsibility for massive Russian losses following successful Ukrainian counteroffensives in mid-September of 2022 that pushed Russian forces to the Kharkiv-Luhansk Oblast border
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Lapin’s appointment as army Chief of Staff may be intended to serve as a counterbalance to the growing prominence of the siloviki. Prigozhin and Kadyrov both have largely private armed forces at their disposal (Kadyrov’s Chechen fighters and Prigozhin’s Wagner Group) and are capitalizing on the gains made by these forces to promote themselves politically, as ISW has frequently reported
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Lapin’s appointment may alternatively suggest that the Russian MoD increasingly must fill important leadership positions with previously disgraced—or at minimum heavily publicly criticized—general officers. Former Russian Eastern Military District (EMD) commander Colonel-General Alexander Chaiko, who led failed Russian efforts to take Kyiv in the early stages of the war, went on to serve as commander of Russian Armed Forces in Syria after he was replaced following the Kharkiv counteroffensive.[
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The news of Lapin’s appointment generated further schisms in the already-fragmented pro-war Russian information space. Former militant commander and prominent milblogger Igor Girkin stated that Lapin’s new role must be a "misunderstanding" because Russian forces under Lapin’s command suffered major losses in Kharkiv Oblast.[13] Girkin concluded that Lapin represents a "boorish" attempt by the MoD to demonstrate their invulnerability
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Russian forces have not captured the entirety of Soledar despite several false Russian claims that the city has fallen and that Bakhmut risks imminent encirclement. Several Russian sources claimed that Wagner Group forces advanced into the west of Soledar on January 10.[18] Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin refuted these claims, remarking that Wagner Group forces are still fighting against concerted Ukrainian resistance.
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Igor Girkin, former commander of Russian militants in Donbas and a prominent milblogger, heavily implied that he would support the removal of Russian President Vladimir Putin from office, his most direct criticism of Putin to date. Girkin criticized Putin for appointing and refusing to remove Russian military leaders who oversee frequent and disastrous military failures, in reference to Lapin’s appointment.[22] Russian milbloggers have historically criticized Russian military leaders and MoD officials while upholding Putin as an effective wartime leader, as ISW has previously reported.
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Key Takeaways
Russian media reported on January 10 that Colonel General Aleksandr Lapin, former commander of the Central Military District and Russian forces in Kharkiv and northern Donetsk oblasts during Russia's significant losses in September 2022, has been appointed Chief of Staff of the Russian Ground Forces.
The news of Lapin’s appointment is generating further schisms in the already-fragmented pro-war Russian information space.
Igor Girkin heavily implied that he would support the removal of Russian President Vladimir Putin from office, suggesting that a willingness to reduce self-censorship and directly criticize Putin may be growing among some milbloggers.
The Ukrainian General Staff deviated from its normal reporting pattern about Russian forces in Belarus and near Ukraine’s northern border on January 10, an indicator of possible Russian preparations for an offensive in northern Ukraine, though ISW assesses this course of action remains unlikely at this time.
Ukrainian forces continued to make gains along the Svatove-Kreminna line.
Russian forces conducted ground attacks across the Donetsk Oblast frontline and made gains around Soledar but have not captured the settlement, despite false claims.
The Kremlin continues to deny that Russian authorities are preparing for another wave of partial mobilization.
Russian occupation authorities are struggling to contain an effective partisan movement in occupied territories.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 7:45 pm to DabosDynasty
the salt mines were the ukrainians are storing the bio weapons the obamas made!
Posted on 1/10/23 at 9:27 pm to Obtuse1
Ukraine made a big mistake if they didn’t blow the entrance to those mines. Russia can store a shitload of ammunition and equipment down there and HIMARS can’t do anything about it. I wonder if it was a question of available explosives. It would take a pretty good bit to do the job with the size of those mines. Ukraine has been too tactically smart so far to just leave the Russians an asset like that.
This post was edited on 1/10/23 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 1/10/23 at 9:44 pm to CitizenK
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Not knowing the lay of the land, location location location matters quite a bit as to whether or not they can hold their gains.
Low ridge lines and few hills surrounded by farm land and a salt mine. The town of Soledar itself is been completely destroyed. However, Russia’s losses are astronomically high. Russia suffered over 25,000 killer, wounded, or captured in December alone. Their assault on Soledar is a whole different level. It has resulted in so many casualties that it’s almost impossible to count. However, I am seeing reports on the twitter that the number could be upwards 5000 Russians killed in just 2 days of fighting. That’s more KIA than what the coalition forces suffered during the 8 years of the Iraq War.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 10:01 pm to LSUPilot07
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Ukraine made a big mistake if they didn’t blow the entrance to those mines. Russia can store a shitload of ammunition and equipment down there and HIMARS can’t do anything about it. I wonder if it was a question of available explosives. It would take a pretty good bit to do the job with the size of those mines. Ukraine has been too tactically smart so far to just leave the Russians an asset like that.
The Ukrainians don’t have to collapse the mines to prevent the Russians from using them. The mines are deep shaft mines (900 feet below ground) which means they have to have lifts to move anything. It looks like there are only two or three lifts that access the mines. A few HIMARS hits and would knock out machinery that makes those lifts work. If that happens the mines are worthless as a storage area because anything stored there is trapped 900 feet underground with no way to get it back to the surface. Also why do you just assume they would waste HIMARS on the mines? The Ukrainians are still within conventional artillery range of the mines. A few hundred artillery shells and the surface equipment is destroyed and the mines are fairly useless since all of that machinery is likely custom made for that mine so it will be difficult for Russia to repair it.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 10:58 pm to WeeWee
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Coping over what? Russia allegedly capturing a strategically insignificant town that has been completely leveled after 6 months of trying to capture it? Not hardly baw.
he registered a few days ago, latest St. Petersburg troll farm recruit.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 11:03 pm to LSUPilot07
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Ukraine made a big mistake if they didn’t blow the entrance to those mines. Russia can store a shitload of ammunition and equipment down there and HIMARS can’t do anything about it. I wonder if it was a question of available explosives. It would take a pretty good bit to do the job with the size of those mines. Ukraine has been too tactically smart so far to just leave the Russians an asset like that.
Miners go down via elevator. Salt is removed via bucket elevator like corn or wheat. If they use skips on a hoist even less comes to the surface per hour.
Equipment used in salt mining goes down piece by piece then reassembled and when no longer repairable is just parked down one end forever.
Maybe some ammo but not equipment other than small arms would be stored there unless you want a large shop down below and another up above.
Posted on 1/10/23 at 11:56 pm to Obtuse1
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I rarely put up combat footage anymore but here are three clips that emphasize the brutality of the combat around Bahkmut and Ukraine in general. None of this is safe for work and really not safe for humanity, all three are twitter links.
I think it is good that you post videos like this from time to time. Really helps humanize things. After all, a good portion of these men are being forced to fight against their will. It is a grounding perspective, and appreciated.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 4:25 am to StormyMcMan
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Igor Girkin, former commander of Russian militants in Donbas and a prominent milblogger, heavily implied that he would support the removal of Russian President Vladimir Putin from office, his most direct criticism of Putin to date. Girkin criticized Putin for appointing and refusing to remove Russian military leaders who oversee frequent and disastrous military failures, in reference to Lapin’s appointment. Russian milbloggers have historically criticized Russian military leaders and MoD officials while upholding Putin as an effective wartime leader, as ISW has previously reported.
It's beginning. Jan. 10, 2023.
Posted on 1/11/23 at 6:03 am to Coeur du Tigre
This may have been mentioned but I hadn't seen it:


Posted on 1/11/23 at 6:56 am to WeeWee
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You do realize that Russia’s biggest gain in 6 months is not strategically significant or important at all. Don’t you?
Nah man the Eastern front is gonna collapse now. Just like we were told ad nauseum last summer and Europe is gonna freeze. Russias biggest gain since summer is 1 town so clearly the tide is turning
Posted on 1/11/23 at 7:15 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 11 January 2023
On 08 January 2023, the Belarussian Ministry of Defence announced a joint Russian-Belarussian tactical flight exercise to be held in the country from 16 January to 01 February 2023.
As of 08 January 2023, amateur aircraft spotters noted the arrival of total of 12 Mi-8 support helicopters and Mi-24 and Ka-52 attack helicopters. With some appearing with 'Z' markings, the aircraft landed at Machulishchy Air Base near Minsk.
The new deployment of Russian aircraft to Belarus is likely a genuine exercise, rather than a preparation for any additional offensive operations against Ukraine. Although Russia maintains a large number of forces in Belarus, they are mostly involved in training. They are unlikely to constitute a credible offensive force.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 11 January 2023
On 08 January 2023, the Belarussian Ministry of Defence announced a joint Russian-Belarussian tactical flight exercise to be held in the country from 16 January to 01 February 2023.
As of 08 January 2023, amateur aircraft spotters noted the arrival of total of 12 Mi-8 support helicopters and Mi-24 and Ka-52 attack helicopters. With some appearing with 'Z' markings, the aircraft landed at Machulishchy Air Base near Minsk.
The new deployment of Russian aircraft to Belarus is likely a genuine exercise, rather than a preparation for any additional offensive operations against Ukraine. Although Russia maintains a large number of forces in Belarus, they are mostly involved in training. They are unlikely to constitute a credible offensive force.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 8:10 am
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