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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:23 pm to
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:23 pm to
ISW Update

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The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) announced on January 11 that Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov will take over as theater commander as part of a major reshuffle of the Russian command structure for the war in Ukraine. The Russian MoD officially announced Gerasimov as Commander of the Joint Grouping of Forces and named three deputies under Gerasimov’s command: previous theater commander in Ukraine from October 8 to January 11 Army General Sergei Surovikin, Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces; Army General Oleg Salyukov, Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces; and Colonel General Alexei Kim, Deputy Chief of the Russian General Staff


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The Russian MoD’s public announcement of this restructuring framed the change as necessary to both improve Russian command and control and to intensify Russian operations in Ukraine. The official MoD readout of the appointment states that these changes were made in association "with the expansion of the scale of tasks solved in [the special military operation’s] implementation, the need to organize closer interaction between the services and branches of the Armed Forces, as well as improving the quality of all types of support and the effectiveness of command and control."[4] Putin’s decision to have the Russian MoD publicly announce the changes and their intent, unlike several previous changes to the Russian command structure that were not officially announced, indicate the Kremlin intends Gerasimov’s appointment as a major shift—both in actual conduct of the war, as well as the framing of the Russian MoD’s role


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Gerasimov’s appointment as theater commander likely advances two Kremlin efforts: an attempt to improve Russian command and control for a decisive military effort in 2023, and a political move to strengthen the Russian MoD against challenges from the Russian millbloggers and siloviki, such as Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin, who have criticized the Kremlin’s conduct of the war.


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Gerasimov’s appointment is likely intended to support an intended decisive Russian military effort in 2023, likely resumed Russian offensive operations. Putin has repeatedly demonstrated he misunderstands the capabilities of Russian forces and has not abandoned his maximalist war aims in Ukraine. Putin may have appointed Gerasimov, the highest-ranking officer in the Russian military, to succeed a series of theater commanders to oversee a major offensive that Putin—likely incorrectly—believes Russian forces can accomplish in 2023.


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The elevation of Gerasimov and the Russian MoD over Surovikin, a favorite of Prigozhin and the siloviki faction, is additionally highly likely to have been in part a political decision to reassert the primacy of the Russian MoD in an internal Russian power struggle. The Russian MoD and the siloviki faction, often most publicly represented by Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin, have feuded throughout 2022 on Russia’s conduct of the war in Ukraine. Prigozhin has increasingly criticized the Russian MoD’s conduct of the war since late 2022

Putin’s elevation of Gerasimov and the highly criticized Russian MoD may prompt siloviki like Prigozhin to further carve up the Russian information space and push back on the Kremlin’s conduct of the war, however. Prigozhin has relentlessly promoted the Wagner Group at the expense of the Russian MoD’s reputation and may double down on his flashy advertisements on Russian social media and state-affiliated outlets to assert the superiority of his force


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Gerasimov is unlikely to rapidly revitalize and reform Russia’s conduct of the war in Ukraine to achieve Putin’s maximalist objectives. Gerasimov signed off on Putin’s fundamentally flawed initial invasion plans before February 24 and largely faded into obscurity following the collapse of Russia’s flawed initial planning assumptions. Gerasimov is highly unlikely to successfully meet Putin’s unrealistic expectations for his performance

Gerasimov will likely preside over a disorganized command structure plagued by endemic, persistent, and self-reinforcing failures that he largely set into motion in his initial role before the invasion of Ukraine.


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The Russian defense industrial base’s inability to address munitions shortages will likely hinder the ability of Russian forces to sustain offensive operations in eastern Ukraine in 2023. US and Ukrainian officials told CNN on January 10 that Russia’s daily rate of artillery fire has decreased in some areas by 75%, a historic low since the start of the Russian full-scale invasion on February 24, 2022.[13] These officials noted that Russian forces may be rationing artillery shells as a result of dwindling supplies, or could be reassessing their tactics.

Russian sources are increasingly also acknowledging that Russia’s ammunition and supply shortages are decisively impeding the ability of Russian forces to advance. A prominent Russian milblogger (and member of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s mobilization working group) stated on a federal TV program that Russian force generation efforts such as mobilization are not sufficient, noting that Russia’s success on the frontlines is contingent upon its economy and military-industrial complex.


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Russian forces have not yet fully captured Soledar despite recent Russian advances, and the possible capture of Soledar is unlikely to enable Russian forces to capture Bakhmut. ISW assesses that Russian forces have not yet captured Soledar, despite numerous claims from Russian sources
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:25 pm to
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Russian President Vladimir Putin reportedly issued secret and preemptive pardons to Russian convicts fighting with the Wagner Group in Ukraine, potentially further empowering Wagner to operate with impunity in the theater. Russian Human Rights Council member Eva Merkacheva told Russian outlet RIA Novosti on January 9 that prisoners recruited by Yevgeny Prigozhin’s Wagner Group to fight in Ukraine receive pardons before they are released from penal colonies for deployment.

Preemptive presidential pardons are likely further driving Wagner Group recruitment within penal colonies and empowering Wagner Group fighters to operate with a large degree of impunity in Ukraine. The promise of a legal pardon for criminal activity likely incentivizes convicts to sign contracts with the Wagner Group, knowing that if they survive operations in Ukraine, they will be released back into Russian society following their deployment with clean records


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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky reiterated that a renewed Russian offensive operation from Belarus remains highly unlikely. Zelensky stated during a coordination meeting on the security of Ukraine’s northwestern borders on January 11 that Ukraine does not see any inflections in Belarus "apart from strong statements."


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Key Takeaways

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) announced on January 11 that Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov will take over as theater commander as part of a major reshuffle of the Russian command structure for the war in Ukraine.

Gerasimov’s appointment is likely intended to support an intended decisive Russian military effort in 2023, likely in the form of resumed Russian offensive operations.

The elevation of Gerasimov and the Russian MoD over Surovikin, a favorite of Prigozhin and the siloviki faction, is additionally highly likely to have been in part a political decision to reassert the primacy of the Russian MoD in an internal Russian power struggle.

Gerasimov will likely preside over a disorganized command structure plagued by endemic, persistent, and self-reinforcing failures that he largely set into motion in his initial role before the invasion of Ukraine.

The Russian defense industrial base’s inability to address munitions shortages will likely hinder the ability of Russian forces to sustain offensive operations in eastern Ukraine in 2023.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky reiterated that a renewed Russian offensive operation from Belarus remains highly unlikely.

Russian forces have not yet fully captured Soledar despite recent Russian advances, and the possible capture of Soledar is unlikely to enable Russian forces to capture Bakhmut.

Russian President Vladimir Putin reportedly issued secret and preemptive pardons to Russian convicts fighting with the Wagner Group in Ukraine, potentially further empowering Wagner to operate with impunity in the theater.

Russian forces continued limited counterattacks near Svatove as Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near Kreminna and struck rear areas in Luhansk Oblast.

Russian claims about Wagner Group and conventional Russian military formations’ operations in the Soledar area likely reflect competing claims over the responsibility for the most recent notable Russian tactical advances in Ukraine.

Russian forces conducted ground attacks across the Donetsk Oblast frontline.

Ukrainian officials reported that Russian forces are withdrawing key assets and restructuring logistics networks in southern Ukraine due to Ukrainian strikes.

Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced a plan to improve the Russian defense industrial base.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:27 am to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:40 am to
Soldiers are really not happy with their officer, in the second one the officer gets invited to Sonic, apparently the Russian invitation is spitting in the other person's face. Alas, he only gave him a small order of tots, well I guess he sprayed him with Ocean Water too.

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Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 3:36 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 12 January 2023
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

Over the last two days, heavy fighting has continued both around the town of Soledar, Donetsk Oblast, and on the approaches to Kremina, Luhansk Oblast.

Since the start of January 2023, Russia has almost certainly allocated elements of the 76th Guards Air Landing Division of the VDV (airborne forces) to reinforce the Kremina front line after assessing the sector was significantly vulnerable.

Until November 2022, Russia committed almost the whole of the deployable VDV as long-term, ground-holding troops along the front line in the Kherson area. Now redeployed to the Donbas and southern Ukraine, commanders are likely attempting to employ VDV more in line with their supposed doctrinal role as a relatively elite rapid reaction force.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 6:39 am to
This is why I have been saying that I think at least a few Abrams tanks will be going to Ukraine: LINK

Never mind Britain: Germany looks for US to lead the way on battle tanks to Ukraine

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Britain’s moves toward supplying Ukraine with battle tanks are a headache for Olaf Scholz — but it’s still unlikely that the German chancellor will overcome his reluctance to sending heavy German armor without taking his lead from Washington.
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At a regional election rally in Berlin on Monday, Scholz emphasized the importance of discussing arms with the U.S. president, saying that tank deliveries to Ukraine must be discussed “together with friends and allies and especially with our transatlantic partner, with the United States of America.”
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Talks between the U.S. and Ukrainians are continuing over providing American-made Abrams tanks, but there has been little progress as the Biden administration thinks a European-led solution is best.

The Defense Department has been hesitant to provide the Abrams to Ukraine due to significant maintenance and sustainment challenges. A tank division can guzzle up to 600,000 gallons of fuel a day, and few of the tanks’ technologies are approved for export.

“It’s constantly an item of discussion but not near a decision,” said one person familiar with internal deliberations who asked for anonymity.

“Certainly, we know that the Abrams tank in addition to being a gas guzzler is quite challenging to maintain,” Laura Cooper, deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia told reporters at the Pentagon last week. “It’s about the right capability in multiple facets and maintenance and sustainment is one of them, and it’s an important one, especially when there’s alternate capabilities that, you know, might — might offer easier maintenance or sustainment.”

Ukrainian officials have suggested that the U.S. send just a handful of Abrams tanks – as few as five – in order to spur Europe to act, a second person familiar with the discussions between the U.S. and Ukraine said. Despite promising full transparency over where the tanks are deployed and how they’re used, the Pentagon has not signed off on the idea.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 6:57 am to


Wow
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 7:28 am to
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Wow


Crazy isn't it. I did some looking and that area is on the far southwest part of the city and based on Google maps isn't in the city proper. The white building I have circled (and can be seen in the sat images) in red is a school I think an elementary school and the industry I blocked off in red is the Knauf Gypsum company which is the other large industry there besides the salt mine.



This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 7:29 am
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 7:48 am to
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Ukrainian officials have suggested that the U.S. send just a handful of Abrams tanks – as few as five – in order to spur Europe to act, a second person familiar with the discussions between the U.S. and Ukraine said. Despite promising full transparency over where the tanks are deployed and how they’re used, the Pentagon has not signed off on the idea.


I heard an interview with Patraeus from a couple weeks back and he said that he had been in Berlin and the Germans kept telling him.the same thing. "If the Americans would only send 5-10 Abrams we could follow through with the Leopards.

What the hell is wrong with these people? One sure result from WWII: it forever cut the balls off of the Germans and turned them into welchers.

Do these people not realize that the only way for this to end is a military defeat for Russia? You have got to arm Ukraine to the point that they can drive Russia out. I am beginning to believe that by the time or if these government bureaucrats ever realize this, Ukraine will have lost so much personnel that it would be tougher or almost impossible for them to totally defeat Russia. Maybe that is what these politicians want.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 7:51 am
Posted by TBoy
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 7:55 am to
As they do occasionally, Malcontent News has made its Ukraine Situation Report available free of charge. Today’s report is more than 60 pages in length and provides tremendous detail and depth of coverage, with footnoted sources.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 7:59 am to
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Crazy isn't it. I did some looking and that area is on the far southwest part of the city and based on Google maps isn't in the city proper. The white building I have circled (and can be seen in the sat images) in red is a school I think an elementary school and the industry I blocked off in red is the Knauf Gypsum company which is the other large industry there besides the salt mine.


Certainly hope the school has long since been vacant of children. The Twitter video I posted last night indicated many locals remained and the soldier wasn’t sure how they survived.

Just stuff I can’t imagine, particularly as a father. Obviously most everyone in here has read of and for sure seen the cinematic depictions of WWII, but it’s just different seeing it and hearing it real time on this scale. Even if it is thousands of miles away.
Posted by Athanatos
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:08 am to
Even if the Abrams are not well suited to Ukraines offensive needs, they can park a few of them along the road to Belarus as a blocking force for that unlikely avenue of attack.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:26 am to


This is what liberation from the NAZIs in Kyiv looks like. It’s glorious. All hail mighty Russia and Vladimir the Great Liberator!
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45573 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:29 am to
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As they do occasionally, Malcontent News has made its Ukraine Situation Report available free of charge. Today’s report is more than 60 pages in length and provides tremendous detail and depth of coverage, with footnoted sources.


Ain’t nobody got time for that. We need the cliffs to read while taking a morning glory.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:36 am to
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11627109/China-thinks-Russia-going-fail-Ukraine-emerge-conflict-minor-power.html

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'Putin is crazy': China 'thinks Russia is going to fail in Ukraine and will emerge from the conflict a minor power'
* Several Chinese officials warned Beijing must not 'simply follow Russia' in blind support for the war in Ukraine in a rare rebuke of Putin's barbaric invasion
* Officials said they believe Russia will fail to win the war in Ukraine amid setbacks
* Comments mark significant turning point in supposedly amicable relations between Russia and China - a month after the countries vowed to deepen ties
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 9:38 am
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
8170 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:38 am to
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11624411/Furious-Putin-shows-rage-publicly-humiliates-hapless-deputy-PM.html

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Furious Putin shows his rage at Russia's failing war effort as he demotes 'General Armageddon' overseeing invasion and publicly humiliates hapless deputy PM for 'fooling around'

* Sergei Surovikin was demoted yesterday after just three months in command He was replaced by his heavily criticised understudy Gen. Valery Gerasimov
* An enraged Putin also publicly humiliated one of his deputy prime ministers
* Denis Manturov was blasted for failing to procure military and civilian planes

Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:46 am to
Wow

"what is this Chinese bullshite"
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 9:52 am
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:55 am to
I have been hearing that Xi and the Chicoms are recently having a lot of second thoughts regarding this and are wanting to reestablish better relationships with the west. We will see by their actions. Putin has really screwed the future of Russia with his actions.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45573 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:03 am to
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Over the last two days, heavy fighting has continued both around the town of Soledar, Donetsk Oblast, and on the approaches to Kremina, Luhansk Oblast. Since the start of January 2023, Russia has almost certainly allocated elements of the 76th Guards Air Landing Division of the VDV (airborne forces) to reinforce the Kremina front line after assessing the sector was significantly vulnerable. Until November 2022, Russia committed almost the whole of the deployable VDV as long-term, ground-holding troops along the front line in the Kherson area. Now redeployed to the Donbas and southern Ukraine, commanders are likely attempting to employ VDV more in line with their supposed doctrinal role as a relatively elite rapid reaction force.


Wow it only took Russia 10 months to figure out that it needs to use it’s troops in a manner that is similar what they are trained for.
Posted by tigeraddict
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Member since Mar 2007
14818 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:07 am to
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I have been hearing that Xi and the Chicoms are recently having a lot of second thoughts regarding this and are wanting to reestablish better relationships with the west. We will see by their actions. Putin has really screwed the future of Russia with his actions.





Chinese have always been about what is the best advantage for themselves...

A weakening west is what they want the most to increase their sphere of influence, however, they also do not want to tie themselves to a sinking ship that is Russia right now...

i expect China to both distance themselves from russia but also are happy the west is "expending" their military in Ukraine. China is going to appear they are not supporting Russia, but will happily take their cheap oil and trade tech with russia as its also a proxy war they can support with the west.
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