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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:58 pm to
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 12:58 pm to
I haven't seen this reported yet, maybe I missed it

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-names-new-commander-russias-war-ukraine-gerasimov-surovikin-rcna65307
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Putin replaces commander of Russia’s war in Ukraine after just 3 months
Valery Gerasimov takes over from Sergei Surovikin, who will now serve as one of his deputies, Russia's defense ministry said.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8619 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:03 pm to
Because if Ukraine can keep Russia in the meat grinder that is Bakhmut it allows other areas more important to Ukraine to build up their forces and strengthen defenses. Bakhmut is solely a propaganda piece for the Russians to be able to say they took a town but they have had to commit a lot of resources to do it. It’s of not real significance to Ukraine besides it’s a crossroads for supply but it is at the end of the line so it’s not really a big deal and the town of Bakhmut has been leveled so there’s nothing to really claim there besides a lot of rubble and dead bodies.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:04 pm to
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One week old account that suddenly pops up and starts spouting Pro Kremlin talking points.

Putin may be running out of tanks. But troll stooges are nearly free these days.


It's a pattern we've seen repeatedly since the war began. New Account, spews Russian talking points, disappears quickly. Rinse and repeat.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:04 pm to
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Allow some of their 750,000 reserves to see combat and increase the overall number of veterans in their army. Also to tie Russia up and prevent it from reinforcing the Kremmina area or their defensive lines in the Zap oblast.


i would imagine it was the later. typically you should have a 2:1 manpower advantage with attacking vs defending on this size front. you also bleed you opponent down with likely higher casualty rates then what you are seeing. This is likely why russia has slowly moved forward. Ukraine has defended but fallen back when loss to benefit was no longer there.


Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 1:10 pm to
I hope this is the case. We should see if it is soon.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20975 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:18 pm to
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If Bakhmut is so insignificant, why would Ukraine invest so many resources there?




I think this is a really good question, one that I have been pondering as well. Why waste valuable resources defending it if it isn't vital?


1) Well, Ukraine has to defend somewhere. Is there a place to put a much stronger defensive line behind Bakhmut? I haven't looked closely at topographical maps, etc., but if so, I haven't heard anyone say so.

2) Just as the taking of Bakhmut has become a central aim of the Russian effort and possesses vast symbolic value for Russia, the defense of Bakhmut has now taken on a life of its own in the hearts of Ukrainians.

3) Besides the symbolic value inside Ukraine and Russia, the fall of Bakhmut would be seen many in the world as a sign that, perhaps, Ukraine is not winning the war. "Maybe we shouldn't give Ukraine tanks, if they are just going to lose anyway." It's a dumb argument, but there are those who would use it and those who would buy it.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 2:37 pm to
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Putin replaces commander of Russia’s war in Ukraine after just 3 months
Valery Gerasimov takes over from Sergei Surovikin, who will now serve as one of his deputies, Russia's defense ministry said.


I love the twitter response from the Ukrainian MoD:

quote:

Every russian general must receive at least one opportunity to fail in Ukraine.
Some may be lucky enough to fail twice.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 3:14 pm to
The Bolsheviks were no better than the damn Nazi's. They might have been worse: they killed more people. Patton saw through their shite.

Communism is the greatest tragedy in recorded history.

JMO.
This post was edited on 1/11/23 at 3:18 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 4:26 pm to
quote:

Putin replaces commander of Russia’s war in Ukraine after just 3 months
Valery Gerasimov takes over from Sergei Surovikin, who will now serve as one of his deputies, Russia's defense ministry said.


'Member when General Armageddon was going to rain hellfire down on Ukraine and turn the tide like Moses? I 'member.
Posted by amnesia46
Member since Jan 2023
32 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 6:00 pm to
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Yep. That's why 92% of Ukrainians voted for independence in 1991. They really wanted to stay a part of Russia.


Ah, yes, because the collapsing USSR was an open and transparent/valid society to hold referendums.

USSR was broke and collapsing in 1991.
Posted by ImaObserver
Member since Aug 2019
2503 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 6:06 pm to
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Ah, yes, because the collapsing USSR was an open and transparent/valid society to hold referendums.

USSR was broke and collapsing in 1991.


Well, just stick around a bit for a replay of that game.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 6:45 pm to
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Ah, yes, because the collapsing USSR was an open and transparent/valid society to hold referendums. USSR was broke and collapsing in 1991.


So the Russians wanted to stuff the ballots for Ukrainian independence, but now want to undo it? Is this really the suggestion?
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 6:48 pm to
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USSR was broke and collapsing in 1991.



Hows it looking for 2023?
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 1/11/23 at 6:52 pm to
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The Bolsheviks were no better than the damn Nazi's. They might have been worse: they killed more people. Patton saw through their shite.

Communism is the greatest tragedy in recorded history.


Correct and even allied with Germany including agreement on Russia conquering Finland while allowing German troops to train on Soviet soil so undetected by the west in violation of the Treaty of Versailles. That all changed when Germany attacked Russia.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 7:44 pm to
Ukrainian soldier update from Soledar- Twitter vid

Sharing for you to make of it what you think. No more, no less. Around 6 min.

TLDW: Ukrainian solider says Soledar remains in UA control despite hysteria in reporting. Includes cool drone footage of Russian troops movements through the city to the point he says they’re stuck and UA will be taking measures now.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
8646 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:14 pm to
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Indeed, the complication of the additional logistics chain almost negates the military value.



This is becoming a more and more worrisome aspect of both our support and the Ukrainian effort in general.

It's likely taking a small army in and of itself to manage the logistics trains of so many different types of SAM systems, rocket systems, artillery systems, wheeled vehicles, etc. that NATO countries have given them.

I understand that we're doing a fair bit of the heavy lifting on this for them, but the more the logistics train sprawls, the more inefficient a force becomes.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15772 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:37 pm to
He will be gone soon off to basic icon kissing training then to the front
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30524 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:40 pm to
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He will be gone soon off to basic icon kissing training then to the front


Ha, he has been an instructor in that class for years.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 8:50 pm to
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Yep. That's why 92% of Ukrainians voted for independence in 1991. They really wanted to stay a part of Russia.


Ah, yes, because the collapsing USSR was an open and transparent/valid society to hold referendums.



The 1992 Independence Referendum was conducted using paper secret ballots with international observers present. Elections do not get much more open and transparent than that dumbass.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45582 posts
Posted on 1/11/23 at 9:07 pm to
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It seems the Russian military has a problem with soldiers and officers texting important information on WhatsApp. The channel says they should use Telegram instead.


LINK



The 2nd most powerful military in the world or so the Russians claim still have not fixed their communications problems after 10+ months of war.

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