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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:23 pm to
Posted by Burhead
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:23 pm to
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@Faytuks Russian channel Romanov: It is reported that Kinburn Spit came under the control of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:39 pm to
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Kinburn Spit


I would appear hard to defend the narrow strip from Kim burn back to bratska.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 2:45 pm to
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Thirty percent of their houses have no toilet.


This literally has no bearing on a country's military. Only 55% of the US had indoor plumbing in 1945 and I would think our military did pretty good.

ETA but I guess if everyone gets indoor plumbing in China I guess it means their military is good suddenly? Like that's the measure of military strength is the number of shitters in a country?
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 2:48 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:11 pm to
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Student from Zambia died in Ukraine

He "died on the battlefield", according to the Zambian Foreign Ministry. The ministry demands to explain how a citizen of Zambia ended up in the war in Ukraine. He was taken to the war from a Russian prison where he served a term of 9.5 years.


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Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5654 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:14 pm to
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More evidence that Ukraine immediately crossed the river


Defense of Ukraine
@DefenceU

Ukraine government organization
Beautiful Dnipro


Ukraine MoD tweet
Posted by Mr Happy
Member since May 2019
2698 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:18 pm to
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China is a ticking debt bomb

I read recently that China has 29 trillion dollars in corporate debt, compared to 23 trillion for the US.

The US GDP is 23 trillion dollars. China's GDP is 18 trillion.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5910 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:21 pm to
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The river is a true natural obstacle that acts as a true force multiplier for the defending troops.


246 years ago this month Washington executed one of the great tactical retreats in history, salvaging a fighting force out of New York and into New Jersey. Perhaps Russia is banking on Ivan Washington walking through that door and triumphantly crossing in dnipro on Christmas.

But more than likely the Russians are just a rudderless band of barbarians with no solutions other than more rape.
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
5083 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:37 pm to
He was probably put in a cell with a real tall American woman, and decided it was better to die on a battlefield.
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
2869 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:42 pm to
Realistically, getting the rest of NATO (and only a few actually enhance NATO, the rest are tripwires at best) to pay their share is the minimum one should expect. Trump wanted them to do so and Putin seems to have been more persuasive.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15760 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:50 pm to
Interesting discussion about Russia/Ukraine air war. I'm halfway through at this point

Cliff Notes - Bayraktar was only effective the first few days, drones used more as munitions and expendable or for spotting.

Russian EW is pretty fricked up and limited. Russian maps and data is OLD as frick.

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This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 3:55 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 3:59 pm to
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Defense of Ukraine
@DefenceU

Ukraine government organization
Beautiful Dnipro


It's 100% clear that Ukraine now has operations on the left bank. The question, then, is whether they are SOF on some missions to wreak havoc, or whether Ukraine is trying to cross the river in force and actually establish a beachhead.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:05 pm to
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Has Ukraine lost any HIMARS systems in combat?



Ukraine and the US say no. They say that every system is accounted for. And, to be fair, Russia has never shown any footage of any of them being blown up.

(Ukraine has created wooden decoys that look like HIMARS, and Russia has hit a couple of them, but they clearly weren't the real thing.)
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 4:47 pm to
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And, to be fair, Russia has never shown any footage of any of them being blown up.


Dude didn't you see the video of the Russians hitting the 2nd floor of a building. Clearly a HIMARS system hit
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:29 pm to
There are two reasons that I lean towards the idea that Ukraine is attacking the left bank in force and establishing a beachhead. I could certainly be wrong, and we could just be witnessing harassing actions from SOF groups, but:

1) The Russian supply problem wasn't simply a problem of getting stuff across the Dnipro River. The supply problem is a function of the Kerch Bridge explosion, and Russia can only get things to that general area via very, very long truck routes through Mariupol, or across the Kerch Strait by ferry and then back onto railroads. Retreating back across the Dnipro does nothing to fix the fundamental problem, which is that Russia cannot supply its forces in the South.

So, we don't know how far Russia really planned to retreat. They may have already resigned themselves to going back to Crimea.

2) Ukraine had plenty of time to prepare for this moment. Ukraine has also known, obviously, that simply retaking Kherson and leaving a sizeable Russian force directly across the river would expose a freshly-liberated Kherson to a torrential rain of artillery fire.

And yet, there's been no sign of that. Since the Russians left, the city has been at peace, and everyone is celebrating freely. Zelensky visited the city, gave soldiers medals, and oversaw the official raising of the Ukrainian flag at city hall ... and the Russians did nothing.

All that suggests to me that Ukraine has already cleared the Russians from the towns on the left bank, and that the need to do so was seen from the onset of the Ukrainian offensive in Kherson.

Edit: Yet another possibility is the Russians are getting out of those towns because they will flood when the timed charges blow the dam.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 6:02 pm
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8617 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 6:40 pm to
There’s really not much left in tact. It took a few direct artillery or heavy mortar hits. I believe the main thing still in tact is the tail section with just some damage there that is fixable but the main body of the plane is destroyed besides maybe 2 of the engines on one wing. I know they started to build the 2nd one and then stopped when it was too expensive so maybe they can source some parts and merge the 2 one day.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15760 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 6:48 pm to
Not a single HIMARS lost.
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
2869 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 6:54 pm to
Very interesting...
Posted by Capt ST
High Plains
Member since Aug 2011
13674 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:02 pm to
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I think that there's a real chance that Russia may have decided to retreat from these areas.


From the google earth image, I can understand why. 1 road in and 1 road out essentially.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14815 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:43 pm to
From reports Russia is installing concrete defenses around Meritopol (sp?) maybe not just to protect from north attack but west as well.

Shorten their line of supply focus defenses. Crimeria has natural defenses. This could be a big fall back and UF need to reestablish supply lines to the left bank supply issues in reverse.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8170 posts
Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:58 pm to
Here's my guess at what will happen next.

Melitopol is now the most strategic point on the battlefield. If Ukraine controls it, Crimea is cut off and must rely on resupply by sea and air. If this occurs, then Ukraine can put legitimate pressure on Crimea. They will begin a similar pattern to what we've seen twice now in this war. A period of methodically degrading Russia's army, after which an offensive into Crimea could be launched.

To do this, I think they will do something along these lines

1) Push to the red lines on this map and establish blocking positions while launching an offensive to the center area of this map. From this position, the road between Melitopol and Crimea is within tube artillery range and the road can be effectively shut down for traffic. The rail line would be severed thus denying Crimea resupply by rail. At the same time, from the same general launch points, advance across the top of the area and take back Enerhodar and the nuclear plant.

Once the north and the middle are under control, move on to Melitopol. Russia only has one road and rail line to supply Melitopol, cut that and let the grapes wither on the vine.

Once they have Melitopol, they would control everything above the green line, thereby isolating Crimea


This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 8:01 pm
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