- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:02 pm to Chromdome35
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:02 pm to Chromdome35
Maybe. A lot depends on what Russia does with the withdrawn Kherson forces and how quickly Ukraine can maneuver.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:05 pm to Highthoughts
quote:
A lot depends on what Russia does with the withdrawn Kherson forces and how quickly Ukraine can maneuver.
I suspect Russia will relocate some of them to the Melitopol area. I also think it's possible, maybe even likely, that Russia goes on a pause for the winter and focuses on reconstituting some of its battered armies in hopes of regaining some combat strength ahead of Spring...that's if Ukraine lets them.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:08 pm to Chromdome35
I think Russia tries to restablish initiative somewhere. They may take those forces and try to push a different front. Any other decision ends in a slow loss.
Fixed defenses are a monument to man’s stupidity- only purpose is to slow an opponents offense if you can open an attack that’s faster elsewhere
Fixed defenses are a monument to man’s stupidity- only purpose is to slow an opponents offense if you can open an attack that’s faster elsewhere
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:23 pm to CitizenK
Dang good discussion, Citizen..Thanks!
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:33 pm to tigeraddict
Desert and marsh terrain not inhabited.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:36 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
There are two reasons that I lean towards the idea that Ukraine is attacking the left bank in force and establishing a beachhead. I could certainly be wrong, and we could just be witnessing harassing actions from SOF groups, but:
I have been told that they have crossed often and harassment has been a thing.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:38 pm to Chromdome35
Yea if melitopol falls it does seem like Ukraine would be able to largely reset the lines back to 2014 and isolate crimea.
Given that, Russia has to turn any approach on Melitopol into an absolute meat grinder no? Kherson seems rightly described as a siege concluded by a strategic retreat. Hard to believe Russia would concede Melitopol in a similar fashion. if Russia has anything left I think they have to put it on the line to hold Melitopol.
Given that, Russia has to turn any approach on Melitopol into an absolute meat grinder no? Kherson seems rightly described as a siege concluded by a strategic retreat. Hard to believe Russia would concede Melitopol in a similar fashion. if Russia has anything left I think they have to put it on the line to hold Melitopol.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:39 pm to Highthoughts
quote:
I think Russia tries to restablish initiative somewhere. They may take those forces and try to push a different front. Any other decision ends in a slow loss.
Both sides now have a lot of troops to redeploy, and the overall front lines are shorter. On the one hand, Ukraine can now lessen Russia's advantage in artillery on other fronts; on the other, Ukraine has gotten good at poking holes in Russia's lines and exploiting them, and that's harder to do when the lines are better defended.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:45 pm to jeffsdad
ISW Update
quote:
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) escalated claims of Russian territorial gains in Donetsk Oblast on November 13 and 14, likely to emphasize that Russian forces are intensifying operations in Donetsk Oblast following withdrawal from the right bank of Kherson Oblast
quote:
Russian milbloggers seized on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s November 14 visit to Kherson City to criticize Russian military capacity more substantively than in previous days during the Russian withdrawal from the right bank of Kherson Oblast
quote:
Wagner Group financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin continues to establish himself as a highly independent, Stalinist warlord in Russia, becoming a prominent figure within the nationalist pro-war community
quote:
Prigozhin is taking actions that will resonate with a constituency interested in the ideology of Russia’s national superiority, Soviet brutalist strength, and distasteful of the Kremlin’s corruption, which Russian President Vladimir Putin has used as a political force throughout his reign.
quote:
Prigozhin is steadily using his participation in the Russian invasion of Ukraine to consolidate his influence in Russia.
quote:
Key Takeaways
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) escalated claims of Russian territorial gains in Donetsk Oblast on November 13 and 14, likely to emphasize that Russian forces are intensifying operations in Donetsk Oblast following their withdrawal from the right bank of Kherson Oblast.
Russian milbloggers seized on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s November 14 visit to Kherson City to criticize Russian military capacity more substantively than in previous days during the Russian withdrawal from the right bank of Kherson Oblast.
Wagner Group financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin continues to establish himself as a highly independent, Stalinist warlord in Russia, becoming an even more prominent figure within the nationalist pro-war community.
Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations on the Svatove-Kreminna line and clashed with Russian troops near Bilohorivka.
Russian forces unsuccessfully attempted to regain positions in northeastern Kharkiv Oblast.
Russian forces intensified offensive operations in Donetsk Oblast and claimed to have gained territory around Bakhmut and southwest of Donetsk City.
Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian troops launched an unsuccessful raid onto the Kinburn Spit.
Russian President Vladimir Putin signed additional decrees refining mobilization protocols and expanding military recruitment provisions, likely in an ongoing effort to reinforce Russian war efforts.
Russian occupation officials continued to drive the “evacuation” and forced relocation of residents in occupied territories and took efforts to move occupation elements farther from the Dnipro River.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:49 pm to StormyMcMan
quote:
Stalinist warlord
I mean good lord if the CIA can’t just kill someone with that moniker I’m not sure we’re getting our monies worth from the deep state.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:52 pm to ned nederlander
quote:
I mean good lord if the CIA can’t just kill someone with that moniker I’m not sure we’re getting our monies worth from the deep state.
Putin is gonna get taken out by this guy unless Putin gets him first.
This could be Godfather IV
Posted on 11/14/22 at 8:55 pm to StormyMcMan
I find the mobilization part of this whole thing interesting so here is the more in depth part of that
quote:
Mobilization and Force Generation Efforts (Russian objective: Expand combat power without conducting general mobilization)
Russian President Vladimir Putin signed additional decrees refining mobilization protocols and expanding military recruitment provisions, likely in an ongoing effort to reinforce Russian war efforts. Putin decreed that foreign citizens can serve in the Russian armed forces on November 14.[56] The decree also allows Russian officials to conscript Russian dual-nationals or foreigners with residence permits.[57] Such provisions will allow the Kremlin to recruit forces internationally and among immigrant populations in Russia. Recruitment of foreigners can also ignite further ethno-religious conflicts that have been plaguing Russian ad hoc forces, however.
Putin is establishing enforcement measures for censorship of foreigners with acquired Russian citizenship, which would allow military recruitment officials to further carry out covert mobilization and respond to criticism of the failures of the Russian military campaign in Ukraine. Putin proposed an amendment that would deprive people of their acquired Russian citizenship if they spread “fakes about the Russian Armed Forces” or affiliate with “extremist organizations” that advocate against Russian territorial integrity. The Russian State Duma is also considering a law that would deprive residents of acquired Russian citizenship if they surrender or evade military service.[58] Both proposals excluded Russian-born citizens and are likely attempts to silence immigrant groups and ethnically based civil society in Russia. The amendment would task the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) with prosecuting individuals with such views, and Putin may be attempting to set up an internal repression apparatus. ISW previously assessed that Putin has never built an internal repression apparatus like the Soviets, instead relying on control over the information space.[59]
Putin may also be refining conditions for future force-generation efforts, such as a new wave of mobilization. Putin decreed that individuals with drug possession and consumption criminal charges will not be able to sign a contract with the Russian Armed Forces, likely in an effort to appear to address instances of substance abuse among new recruits and mobilized men.[60] It is unclear if Russian officials will actually follow Putin’s order prohibiting individuals with drug-related charges from serving, but the Wagner Group private military company (PMC) will likely continue to recruit these individuals regardless of Putin’s order regarding the conventional Russian military.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:03 pm to StormyMcMan
quote:
Russian President Vladimir Putin signed additional decrees refining mobilization protocols and expanding military recruitment provisions, likely in an ongoing effort to reinforce Russian war efforts.
I wasn’t alive during Vietnam but this seems pretty close. I think it’s a pretty safe bet that Russia has had more KIA in Ukraine than the USA lost in Vietnam, and for what?
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:20 pm to gizmothepug
Double members of US KIA is within sight
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:25 pm to gizmothepug
The Russians are some looting bastards, first microwaves and washing machines, then paintings, art, and bones now they are on to raccoons and llamas.
ETA

ETA

This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 11/14/22 at 9:27 pm to gizmothepug
quote:
I wasn’t alive during Vietnam but this seems pretty close. I think it’s a pretty safe bet that Russia has had more KIA in Ukraine than the USA lost in Vietnam, and for what?
Plus it is 10 years vs less than 10 months.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 10:05 pm to StormyMcMan
quote:
Putin decreed that individuals with drug possession and consumption criminal charges will not be able to sign a contract with the Russian Armed Forces, likely in an effort to appear to address instances of substance abuse among new recruits
Damn, there goes Brittney Griners chance to finally see some action.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 11/14/22 at 10:52 pm to supadave3
quote:
Damn, there goes Brittney Griners chance to finally see some action.
It's OK, apparently the Wagner Group is taking the druggies so she still has a chance.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 11:49 pm to CitizenK
That was excellent, thanks.
And the kid has me sold on working something out with Sweden to get Ukraine tGripen.
He also lays out a fairly clear picture of what could happen if Ukraine ground based aerial defense systems are weakened/lost through attrition.
And the kid has me sold on working something out with Sweden to get Ukraine tGripen.
He also lays out a fairly clear picture of what could happen if Ukraine ground based aerial defense systems are weakened/lost through attrition.
Posted on 11/15/22 at 5:28 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 15 November 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
By 12 November 2022, the Russian military had almost certainly completed the withdrawal of forces which had been holding territory west of the Dnipro River.
With the abandonment of Kherson city, Russia has made the Azov Sea port town of Henichesk a‘temporary capital' of the occupied region. Russia will likely also redeploy military command units to the Henichesk area.
The choice of this area as a command node hints at the priorities and concerns of Russian commanders as they consolidate their defences in southern Ukraine. It is well positioned to coordinate action against potential Ukrainian threats from both Kherson city in the west, or via Melitopol to the north-east, and to receive reinforcements from Crimea. Above all, it is currently out of range of Ukrainian artillery systems which have inflicted heavy damage on Russian field command posts.
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 15 November 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
By 12 November 2022, the Russian military had almost certainly completed the withdrawal of forces which had been holding territory west of the Dnipro River.
With the abandonment of Kherson city, Russia has made the Azov Sea port town of Henichesk a‘temporary capital' of the occupied region. Russia will likely also redeploy military command units to the Henichesk area.
The choice of this area as a command node hints at the priorities and concerns of Russian commanders as they consolidate their defences in southern Ukraine. It is well positioned to coordinate action against potential Ukrainian threats from both Kherson city in the west, or via Melitopol to the north-east, and to receive reinforcements from Crimea. Above all, it is currently out of range of Ukrainian artillery systems which have inflicted heavy damage on Russian field command posts.
Popular
Back to top


1






